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• 《AI 编码代理正在搞垮大型代码库》(02:15起):本集核心主题:驱动世界运转的是庞大、数十年历史、超级复杂的代码库,而它们正因 AI 生成代码洪流开始腐化崩坏。

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因为为智能体构建的代码库实际上看起来和为人类构建的代码库不一样。
Because the code base that’s built for agents actually looks different than the code base built for humans.
—— 嘉宾 · [42:06]

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所以我们的目标之一是确保，每当我们收到来自客户的反馈，它都能在 24 小时内进入我们的代码库。
So one of our goals is to make sure that, like, every time we cut feedback from customers, that gets to our code base in 24 hours.
—— Evan Reiser · [27:06]

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有一个团队实际上正在 OpenAI 内部进行一项实验，他们维护着一个 100% 由 Codex 编写的代码库。
There’s a team that’s actually doing an experiment right now within OpenAI where they are maintaining a 100% Codex-written code base.
—— Sherwin Wu · [00:35]

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使用这些工具保持高速度的一个很大部分，就是不允许垃圾代码进入代码库。
A big part of maintaining high velocity with these tools is just not permitting slop to enter the code base.
—— Ryan Lopopolo · [11:36]

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它运行了 11 天,重写了整个代码库。
And it ran for 11 days. And it rewrote the entire code base.
—— Boris Cherny · [17:40]

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我上次看的时候，Dark Factory 代码库中只有大约 5% 曾经由人类查看过 PR 并批准它。
Last time I looked, I think about only 5% of the Dark Factory code base had ever had a human look at the PR and approve it.
—— Rob Willoughby · [00:11]

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它运行了11天。它重写了整个代码库。
And it ran for 11 days. And it rewrote the entire code base.
—— Boris Cherny · [18:01]

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无论你们承不承认,这都是你们的代码库曾经拥有的最少量的劣质代码。
Whether any of you admit it or not, this is the least amount of slop that your code base will ever have.
—— Vaibhav Gupta · [01:32]

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你会怎么对待一个既了解你的代码库又能编写代码来解决你业务中任何问题的人？
What would you do with somebody who both knew your code base and could write code to solve anything in your business?
—— Claire · [23:28]

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我们可以看到,在许多不同的模型之间,与试图搜索网页、找到正确的工具相比,能节省近 50% 的 token,不用从你的代码库中拉取 markdown 文件。
We can see that between many different models, almost 50% token saving on instead of trying to search the web, find the right tools, pulling the markdown files from your code base.
—— Christopher Burns · [11:22]

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我想这里的很多演讲者都提到过这一点，但投资于验证可能是我们在代码库中能做的价值最高的事情。
I think a lot of the speakers here have touched upon this, but investing in verification is probably the highest value thing we can do in our code base.
—— Eyal Blum · [05:00]

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他们之所以持怀疑态度，是因为他们看到了你在验证上缺失的地方、工具失效的地方——所以他们的反馈基本上就是如何改进智能体与代码库交互的路线图。
They’re spec haptic because they’re seeing where you’re lacking validation, where your tools fail, so their feedback is basically the roadmap of how to improve your agent interacting with the code base.
—— Eyal Blum · [11:59]

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如果你把所有东西都写在同一个代码库里、同一种语言里,那不可避免地你会写得有点草率,你会把不该纠缠的东西纠缠在一起。
And if you write everything in the same code base, in the same language, it’s like inevitably you’re going to be a little bit sloppy and you’re going to intertwine things more than you should.
—— Tibo Sottiaux · [19:54]

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所以那大概算是比较不讲道理的事情之一，比如，对，就把这整个 Python 代码库移植到 TypeScript，让它跑起来、能部署，就在一个周末之内。
So that probably ranks on like the more unreasonable things like, yeah, just port this entire Python code base to TypeScript, get it working, get it deployable in, you know, a weekend.
—— 嘉宾 · [00:41]

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构建这套系统的最大教训是,智能体的上下文主要来自代码库本身,而不是那么来自 Claude MD 文件。
And the biggest lesson in building that system is that an agent’s context comes mostly from the code base itself, not so much from the Cloud MD file.
—— Paula Dozsa · [10:33]

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给它们一个不会被杀掉的沙箱，在那里它们可以探索你的代码库，可以处理非常困难的任务，并且知道当你合上笔记本盖子时它们不会被关掉。
Give them a sandbox that won’t get killed, where they can explore your code base, where they can work on really hard tasks, where they know that they’re not going to get shut down when you close your laptop lid.
—— Charlie Holtz · [08:50]

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如果你的代码库没准备好，没有结构化的代码库和所有重要的东西，那么转型成软件工厂反而可能让你变得更糟，让你的代码不断退化。
If your code base is not ready, if you don’t have structured code base and all important things, then adopting or turning into a software factory can actually make you end up worse and make your code degrading.
—— Tereza Tížková · [17:34]

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AI 会复制你代码库中已有的模式。如果你有五种不同的做事方式，AI 会变得非常困惑，然后创造出第六种、第七种做事方式。
AI copies existing patterns that exist in your code base. If you have five different ways of doing something, AI will become very confused and it will create six ways or seven ways in ways of doing it.
—— Liz Fong-Jones · [11:13]

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因为机器永远不会感到无聊，让它们给你的代码库添加遥测是一件很棒的事情
because the machines never get bored, it’s a great thing to do to have them add telemetry to your code base
—— Liz Fong-Jones · [13:24]

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现在你的代码库就被窃取泄露出去了，因为这个智能体被提示词注入了，而它对你的数据有这么多访问权限。
And now you’ve exfiltrated your code base out because the agent has been prompt injected and it has all this access to your data.
—— Thariq Shihipar · [56:53]

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不要抵押你的代码库,指望一年后会出一个聪明到能修复你所有问题的模型。
Do not mortgage your code base in the hopes that in a year the model will come out that’s smart enough to fix all your problems.
—— Dex Horthy · [01:08]

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我的建议一直是,不要拿你的代码库去抵押,指望一年后、六个月后或十八个月后会有一个聪明到能解决你所有问题的模型发布出来。
And my advice is always like, do not mortgage your code base in the hopes that in a year or six months or 18 months a model will come out that’s smart enough to fix all your problems.
—— Dex Horthy · [30:27]

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你如何搭建你的技能、你的环境、你的代码库，我认为这些最终才是打造产品的新食材。
And how you set up your skills, your environment, your code base, I think are ultimately the new ingredients that go into building product.
—— Poteto · [15:00]

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任何涉及设计或架构的东西,你还是需要一个人类,因为智能体只会在你的代码库里局部地乱搞一通,把事情弄得更糟。
For anything that concerns the design or architecture, you still kind of need a human because the agent will just locally shit into your code base and make things worse.
—— Mario Zechner · [04:01]

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它几乎不可能在不增加代码的情况下修复一个问题,这看起来很奇怪,因为我认为很多 issue 实际上本不应该让代码库净增加代码。
It’s almost impossible that it will fix a problem without adding code, which seems weird because I think a lot of the issues actually shouldn’t be net additive to the code base.
—— Armin Ronacher · [04:17]

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