① 他说过的话

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人类历史上第一次，几乎有一半人想服用一种药物来阻止自己进食，对吗？
The first time in human history that almost half of us would want to take a drug in order to stop ourselves from eating, right?
—— Johan Hari · [03:10]

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加工和超加工食品破坏了我们感到饱腹的能力，破坏了我们感到足够然后想要停止进食的能力。
Processed and ultra-processed food undermines our ability to ever feel full, our ability to ever feel we’ve had enough and then want to stop eating.
—— Johan Hari · [05:27]

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一旦它们吃到了美国饮食并且被拿走，它们就完全拒绝吃健康的食物。就好像它们不再把它认作食物一样。
Once they’d had the American diet and it was taken away, they refused to eat the healthy food at all. It was like they no longer recognized it as food.
—— Johan Hari · [08:19]

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我们生活在一个环境中，从我们很小的时候起，我们就被喂食那些在生理上改变我们的食物，并破坏我们感受饱腹感和知道何时停止进食的能力。
We are living in an environment from when we’re very young where we’re fed foods that physically change us and undermine our ability to ever feel full and know when to stop eating.
—— Johan Hari · [08:38]

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如果你正在吃低蛋白质的加工食品，你必须吃多得多的加工食品才能获得身体所需的蛋白质。
If you’re eating processed foods which are low in protein, you have to eat a lot more of those processed foods to get the amount of protein your body needs.
—— Johan Hari · [11:27]

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这些新的减肥药是对一个人为问题的人为解决方案。
These new weight loss drugs are an artificial solution to an artificial problem.
—— Johan Hari · [13:18]

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就像，我现在意识到，我在服用 Ozempic 之前从未感到过饱。
I realise now, I had never felt full until I took Ozempic.
—— Johan Hari · [13:54]

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如果你想找一个对比来衡量这些药物将会做什么，你必须看看智能手机的发明。
If you want a comparison for what these drugs are going to do, you’ve got to look at the invention of the smartphone.
—— Johan Hari · [18:07]

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八年后 Ozempic 专利过期。在那时它将是一种每日药丸。它将是每天一美元。
Eight years from now, Ozempic goes out of patent. At that point, it will be a daily pill. It will be a dollar a day.
—— Johan Hari · [22:35]

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你发现神灯你擦拭它精灵出现你的愿望被实现你的愿望成真但绝不是以你预期的方式。
You find the lamp, you rub it, the genie appears, your wish is granted and your wish comes true, but never quite in the way you expected.
—— Johan Hari · [23:45]

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这对于理解为什么这些药物的替代方案——即饮食和运动——对于约 85% 的尝试者来说无法产生持续的体重减轻，这一点非常重要。
This is really important for understanding why the alternative to these drugs, diet and exercise, does not produce sustained weight loss for about 85% of people who try it.
—— Johan Hari · [35:43]

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采访顶尖的神经科学家非常令人不安，你对他们说，嗯，它对我的大脑在做什么？他们有点像那样说，是啊，过几年再来问我们，我们真的不知道。
It’s so disconcerting to interview the leading neuroscientists and you say to them, well, what is it doing to my brain? And they kind of go, yeah, come back and ask us in a few years, we don’t really know.
—— Johan Hari · [38:32]

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但是有科学证据表明我们要进食的五个原因，我在书中详细讲过了。其中一个，你知道，是为了维持我们的身体。其余的都是心理性的。
There’s scientific evidence for five reasons why we eat that I go through in the book. Only one of them is, you know, to sustain our bodies. All the rest are psychological.
—— Johan Hari · [45:54]

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在减重手术后，你的自杀风险几乎增加了四倍。
After bariatric surgery, your suicide risk almost quadruples.
—— Johan Hari · [48:15]

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它最清楚地表明的是，我们不应该容忍我们的孩子不得不在一种危险的医疗状况和一种危险的药物之间做出选择。
What it makes most clear is we should not tolerate our children having to choose between a risky medical condition and a risky drug.
—— Johan Hari · [51:00]

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• 《Ozempic：人造解药与人造问题的经济博弈》 — 作为主持

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Ozempic · Novo Nordisk · GLP-1 · 设定点 · 加工食品 · 饱腹感 · 奖励系统 · 减重手术

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