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- 《管理 3 万人的 Cisco 产品总裁:AI 转型与成功的六字真言》(29:50起):本集提到这是嘉宾的前东家,他在这里工作时与前老板 Aaron Levie 探讨了产品战略中的「获胜权」和「参与许可」概念。
- 《Jessica Fain:如何影响高管——把高管当用户来研究》(01:17起):嘉宾早期的雇主之一,她在此担任 PM,并在本期分享了她的第一任经理 Annie Pearl 如何教导她高管视角与向上沟通的责任意识。
- 《开源权重不是威胁:Box CEO 聊 AI 的经济账》(00:08起):本集介绍 Box 是做云端内容管理、企业文档、权限与协作的公司,嘉宾是其联合创始人兼 CEO;本集还谈了 Box 用 AI 扩大而非缩小工程路线图、对 Opus 5 跑企业评测。
- 《Box 创始人 Erin Levy:套壳的逆袭与应用层的万亿机会》(03:47起):本集把它说成:做了 20 年企业内容云存储与协作的公司,坐拥数千亿企业文件,如今押上整个公司转型做 AI,让智能体读取非结构化数据、提取元数据、自动化工作流。
① 提到它的金句
19 条
我是说,我们评估过的每一个开箱即用的评分体系都很烂。
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I mean, every out-of-the-box stack that we’ve evaluated sucks.
—— Ankur Goyal · [21:34]
现在中国的微短剧市场比它们的国内票房还要大。
指向原始笔记的链接
Now the microdrama market in China is larger than their domestic box office.
—— Justine Moore · [05:40]
关键在于,智能体有能力在这个非常具体的任务中胜过你,根据运行实验室的人们的判断,他们显然做到了,并找到了一种方法来做到这一点。这意味着我们在网络安全意义上已经穿过了镜面。这个精灵无法再被关回瓶子里了。
指向原始笔记的链接
The point is, the agents are capable of out-thinking you in this very specific task, as they clearly did based on the people running the laboratory, and find a way to do it. And that means that we are through the looking glass in a cybersecurity sense. This genie is not going back in the box.
—— Chris Benson · [14:14]
我们库里有超过 1.65 亿个模板、图片和图形素材,而我们真的不认为提示词框是创建视觉内容的正确向量。
指向原始笔记的链接
We’ve got over 165 million templates, images, and graphic assets on the library, and we really don’t think the prompt box is the right vector for creating visual content.
—— Cliff Obrecht · [10:22]
所以即使是在黑箱里,你有时仍然会不经意地泄露本不该能泄露出去的信息。
指向原始笔记的链接
So you can still sometimes with the black box inadvertently get information out that you shouldn’t be able to.
—— Jean-Denis Greze · [15:19]
我们越来越感觉到,你想与智能体协作,而这些智能体在聊天框里并不太自在。
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it sort of increasingly felt that you wanted to work with agents, and those agents weren’t quite at home in a chat box.
—— Roshan · [02:05]
回到那个带有不变量的盒子,如果你画出正确的形状,你就能在盒子内更快地改变东西,而不影响其余的服务或其余的基础设施。
指向原始笔记的链接
Going back to having the box with invariants, if you draw the right shape, you’re going to be able to change things much more quickly within the box and not affect the rest of the services or the rest of your infrastructure.
—— Tibo Sottiaux · [53:16]
Google 说,「其他的东西都忘掉吧,就那个输入框:我们怎么把那个东西做到极致好、做到世界最好?」而这件事其实就发生在其他那些公司的眼皮底下,但他们太不聚焦了,完全错过了。
指向原始笔记的链接
Google was like, “All this other stuff, forget it, just the input box: how do we make that thing insanely good and the best in the world?” And that was actually right underneath the other guys’ noses, but they were so unfocused that they completely missed it.
—— Eric Simons · [17:27]
我们的客户想要的,是一些能非常清晰、非常确定性地思考的方法:如何给智能体建一个盒子,说「我信任这个智能体做这件事、这件事和这件事,但它没有任何权限去做那些事」。
指向原始笔记的链接
And what our customers are asking for is ways to think very clearly, very deterministically about how to build a box around agents and say, I’m gonna trust this agent to do this thing, this thing, and this thing, but it is not going to have any access to do you know these things.
—— Marc Brooker · [22:18]
你没法真正对着一个聊天框调像素。
指向原始笔记的链接
Now you can’t really tune pixels to a chat box.
—— Paul Bakaus · [34:41]
我想我甚至看到了构建独立智能体的可能性,它们监控你的数据库、监控系统、实时给出建议,远超开箱即用的初始开发,而这一切在幕后使用的都是同一套工具。
指向原始笔记的链接
And I think I see even the ability to build independent agents that are monitoring your database, monitoring the system, making recommendations in real time, above and beyond just the initial development out of the box, all using the same tools behind the scenes.
—— Brandon Purcell · [47:54]
所以我们会看到这个转变,我认为,是从黑盒推荐算法转向给用户更多对算法的控制权,让算法变得更可交互、更可引导。
指向原始笔记的链接
And so we’re gonna see this shift, I think, from black box recommendations algorithms to giving users more control over their algorithm and algorithms becoming more interactive and steerable.
—— Devansh Tandon · [12:54]
我想,如果你能说服人们为一盒 4 美元的麦片支付 40 美元,那也许你至少能说服一部分人住到别人家里去。
指向原始笔记的链接
I guess if you can convince people to pay 4 box of cereal, then maybe you can convince at least some people to stay in each other’s homes.
—— 嘉宾 · [47:31]
当我是那个布鲁克林小孩的时候,他们试图把我塞进一个盒子里,然后我直接打破了盒子。我把盒子点着了。
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When I was the kid from Brooklyn, they tried to keep me in a box, and then I just broke the box. I lit the box on fire.
—— Jason · [08:14]
他们认为自己在制造盒子里的神,而且只有他们才有资格被信任保管盒子里的神。
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They think they’re making God in a box and that they’re the only ones who can be trusted with God in a box.
—— 嘉宾 · [35:58]
我们是来自互联网的黑盒攻击,针对大型软件公司发现了超过 90 个零日漏洞。
指向原始笔记的链接
We are black box coming from the internet over 90 zero days in major software companies.
—— Kevin Mandia · [17:53]
而要做一个能关住 GPT-6——OpenAI 最新版本模型的盒子,已经变得非常困难了。
指向原始笔记的链接
It’s getting very difficult to make a box that can contain GPT-6, the latest version of OpenAI’s models.
—— 嘉宾 · [29:03]
智能体只是盒子里的智能,而你围绕它们构建的 harness 才是赋予它们能力、在下游交付这些成果的东西。
指向原始笔记的链接
Agents are just intelligence in a box and the harness that you surround them with is what provides them with the ability to deliver these outcomes downstream.
—— Abhi Arya · [12:59]
我是说,首先,文本框很糟糕——给你一个小文本框,说,这里有一行文本,你可以往里面输入字符,而它拥有无限的能力,它就只是一条空白线。
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I mean, text boxes suck, firstly, giving you a little text box and saying, here is a one line piece of text that you can type characters into and it has unlimited power and it’s just a blank white line.
—— Mike Cannon-Brookes · [11:10]
② 出现在这些集
5 集
- 《管理 3 万人的 Cisco 产品总裁:AI 转型与成功的六字真言》 — 作为被讨论公司(提及)
- 《Jessica Fain:如何影响高管——把高管当用户来研究》 — 作为被讨论公司(提及)
- 《开源权重不是威胁:Box CEO 聊 AI 的经济账》 — 作为被讨论公司
- 《Box 创始人 Erin Levy:套壳的逆袭与应用层的万亿机会》 — 作为被讨论公司
- 《像经营世界上最大的创业公司一样经营思科》 — 作为被讨论公司(提及)
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