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循环 (loop)

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奖励循环需要强大，它需要立即生效，它需要情感化，这样当这个人做你想让他们做的事情时，他们感觉就像赚了一百万美元一样爽。
The reward loop needs to be powerful, it needs to be immediate, and it needs to be emotional, so that when this person does the thing that you want them to do, they feel like a million bucks.
—— Hilary Gridley · [65:58]

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而且我认为智能体的主流架构就是一个带工具的 for 循环。
And I think the prevailing architecture for agents is a for loop with tools.
—— Ankur Goyal · [06:28]

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而对于我最关键任务的生产服务器，我仍然想要人在回路中。
And for my most mission critical production servers, I still want a human in the loop.
—— Vineet Edupuganti · [14:27]

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智能体就是一个带工具的 for 循环。
Agents are a for loop with tools.
—— Ankur Goyal · [16:13]

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最大的陷阱之一是如果你陷入这个循环，如果我再给产品添加一样东西，它最终就会变得很棒。
One of the biggest pitfalls is if you get into the loop of, if I just add one more thing to the product, it’ll be finally great.
—— Max Schoening · [01:00]

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如果他们知道如何调整 UI 的小细节，但他们不理解智能体循环是如何工作的，我会更倾向于那种对理解智能体循环如何工作有深厚亲和力并且能够设计它们的设计师或产品经理，而不是那些能编写传统软件并调整样式的人。
If they know how to tweak small details of the UI, but they don’t understand how an agent loop works, I would much rather take the designer or PM that deeply has an affinity for understanding how agent loops work and can design those than someone who can write traditional software and tweak styles.
—— Max Schoening · [09:23]

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智能体运行内部执行循环。我设定方向，我在外部循环中做决策。
The agent runs the inner execution loop. I set the direction and I make decisions in the outer loop.
—— 嘉宾 · [23:04]

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未来不是 20 个终端。而是更好的循环。
The future is not 20 terminals. It’s better loops.
—— 嘉宾 · [24:49]

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总的来说,我们正试图迈向一个人类不需要参与其中的世界。
In general, we are trying to move to a world where humans don’t need to be in the loop.
—— Cat Wu · [15:46]

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但如果你给人们工具，并且他们自己创造了那个最终结果，他们就会建立信念，因为他们参与其中，使用了他们的批判性思维，他们通过做事建立自己的信念，然后他们真的相信最终结果。
But if you give people tools and they create that end result themselves, they build conviction because they’re in the loop, their critical thinking is used, they are building their own conviction by doing, then they really believe in the end result.
—— 嘉宾 · [118:16]

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但是在今年结束之前，我很确定循环工程的概念将会被随后发生的事情和事物发展方向的演进所淘汰。
But before the year is out, I’m pretty sure the notion of loop engineering is going to be kind of antiquated by what follows and the evolution of where things are going.
—— Chris Benson · [25:28]

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对我来说,AGI 是一个可以在没有任何人在循环中的情况下自我改进的模型。
For me, AGI is a model that can improve itself without human in the loop in any way.
—— Jerry Tworek · [38:21]

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我认为那部分将是困难的，但我认为那将是 AI 最大的机会空间所在，就是在那里的所有事情上减少人在回路。
And I think that part’s going to be difficult, but I think that’s going to be where the biggest opportunity space is at with AI is to reduce the human in the loop on everything there.
—— Chris Blackburn · [30:21]

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这里的重点是它正迅速将人类从网络安全环路中操作员的位置上移除，最多只能成为环路上的操作员，你在观察这个环路，你可能拥有有限的输入和观察，但是这个环路发生得太快，人类无法进行干预。
The point here is it is rapidly moving the human out of the position of being the operator in the loop on cybersecurity to at best being an operator on the loop where you’re observing the loop, you may have limited input and observation, but the loop is happening too fast for human intervention to occur.
—— Chris Benson · [34:21]

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我认为在智能体循环和弄清楚如何开发系统方面仍然存在天文数字的机会,这些系统使你能够在持续反馈循环中花费 1000 倍或 100 万倍的 token 来推动结果。
I think there’s still just astronomical opportunity in agentic looping and figuring out how you develop systems that enable you to spend 1,000x more or 1,000,000x more on tokens to drive an outcome in a continuous feedback loop.
—— Alexandr Wang · [27:11]

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我认为我们在 Meta 内部看到过这样的案例,如果你能开发出正确的智能体循环,并且你有正确的评估或正确的指标供智能体优化,你可以让一群智能体非常非常轻松地、非常非常容易地完成比 100 名工程师团队更多的工作。
I think we’ve seen, internally at Meta, cases where if you can develop the right agentic loop and you have the right eval or the right metric for the agents to optimize, you can have a swarm of agents accomplish more than a team of 100 engineers very, very handily, actually, very, very easily.
—— Alexandr Wang · [28:09]

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AI 审批的 PR 以及总体上 AI 编写的代码甚至可以比仅有人类在流程中所做的更安全、质量更高。
AI approved PRs and AI written code in general can be even safer and even higher quality than what you’re doing with just a human in the loop.
—— Claire · [03:47]

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字面上看，在我们把自我改进循环上线后的第一周内，那大概是两个月前左右，错误率下降了 8 倍。
Literally within the first week of us putting the self-improvement loop online, which was like two months ago or something, it went down by 8x the error rate.
—— Flo Crivello · [24:46]

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超过两秒的循环，你本质上失去了沉浸的感觉。
Anything beyond a two-second loop, you essentially lose the feeling of immersion.
—— Elliot · [23:17]

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但是如果只是让你的循环构建所有东西，而在爆炸半径周围没有任何护栏，在关于你如何看待质量的周围没有任何护栏，我认为这是灾难的配方。
But simply just having your loops build everything without having some guardrails around the blast radius, without having guardrails around how you think about quality, I think is a recipe for disaster.
—— Addy Osmani · [66:33]

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我的激进观点是：只要有对的团队、对的想法、对的学习循环，你的 TAM 几乎是无限的。
My hot take is that with the right team, the right idea, and the right learning loop, your TAM is almost infinite.
—— Willem Avé · [22:28]

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提示词正在迅速变得过时。提示词正在被循环取代。
Prompting is rapidly becoming passe. Prompting is being replaced by loops.
—— Manoj Saxena · [49:38]

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所以是的，我想我们都想要这种自动改进循环，但它们不适用于产品。
So yeah, I think we all wanted these sort of like automatic improvement loops, and they just don’t work with product.
—— Ryan Carson · [20:25]

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而且实际上，这种特异性——能够精确调整你正在审查的内容——在你走向工厂的过程中变得越来越重要，因为说真的，工厂将要产出的量，你必须让人类退出代码审查的循环。
And in fact, this specificity, you know, being able to tune exactly what you’re reviewing becomes increasingly important as you move towards factory because really the volume a factory is going to put out, you have to get humans out of the loop for code review.
—— Drew · [20:02]

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可以这么说，你会不断地做循环，直到你有太多的循环，以至于你的大部分工作都在维护循环、以及构建用来观察它们的循环。
It’s sort of, you’re going to keep working on loops until you have so many loops that most of your work is in maintaining loops and building loops to observe them.
—— Drew · [44:52]

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你比只是写个提示词时更多地把自己从循环中抽离出来。这样你才能真正把自己扩展放大。
So you’re taking yourself out of the loop more than you are with just like a prompt. That way you can actually scale yourself.
—— Tyler Folkman · [05:26]

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循环会帮你爬到局部最优，然后进入平台期——你需要某种分布之外的思考，需要人类直觉，需要有人真正帮你降落到下一座山的山脚下。
The loop will help you climb to the local maxima, but then it plateaus and you need some sort of out of distribution thinking, you need human intuition, you need somebody to actually help you land at the base of the next hill.
—— Anish Acharya · [15:15]

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现在，我认为我们有点处于这种厄运循环中：我们超支，同时我们使用不足。
right now I think we’re kind of in this doom loop where we’re overspending and we’re underusing.
—— Maximillian Piras · [09:52]

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所以在这个世界里，智能体在掌控，人类在环路中。
So in this world, the agents are in control and the humans in the loop.
—— Jonathan Gordon · [14:01]

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从那以后,那套东西几乎全被扔出了窗外,现在流行的是提示词工程、上下文工程、循环工程。
Almost all of that has gone out the window since prompt engineering and context engineering, loop engineering.
—— Robert Lucero · [25:19]

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循环会帮你爬到局部最高点，但随后它会进入平台期。你需要人类的直觉。
The loop will help you climb to the local maxima, but then it plateaus. You need human intuition.
—— Anish Acharya · [00:55]

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我发现正确的路径和那些没有附带反馈循环的路径之间有很高的相关性。
I find a very high correlation between the right path and the ones that don’t have feedback loops attached.
—— Tobi Lütke · [37:59]

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