PM
集里怎么说它
- 《Keith Rabois:别招大厂高管,别做客户调研》(00:00起):本集认为这个传统角色在 AI 时代将毫无意义,因为它做的制定年度路线图的工作被飞速的技术迭代淘汰;其核心技能必须向「懂商业、知道该做什么」的 CEO 角色演变。
- 《SaaS 不会死,PM 迎来黄金期:Dan Shipper 的 AI 工作预测》(69:01起):Dan 极度看好的未来赢家之一,依靠编码模型,他们能将敏锐的产品直觉直接转化为产品并快速发布,不再需要等工程团队排期来实现自己的想法。
- 《让最资深的人回去写文档:Whatnot CPO 的 PM 新法则》(00:05起):本集把它说成:一门需要特定手艺的专职岗位,只在真正有特定需求的地方才招,而不是跟工程团队固定配比的「保姆」。Tom 认为如今行业里太多的 PM 沉迷于「推动对齐(推动一致性)」和办公室政治的产品剧场,真正能活下来的是能兼顾宏观思考与微观执行的人。
① 提到它的金句
11 条
在过去20年里,我们就工作如何完成有着非常固定的比例。PM花费这么多时间,开发人员花费这么多时间,上市花费这么多时间。我认为这种契约基本上正在爆炸,因为构建过程,封闭的求解过程,构建过程正在加速得如此之快。
指向原始笔记的链接
For the last 20 years, we’ve had very fixed ratios in terms of how work gets done. PM takes this amount of time, developers takes this amount of time, go-to-market takes this amount of time. And I think that contract is basically exploding because the build process, the closed solutionary process, the build process is accelerating so fast.
—— Oji · [08:37]
在那一刻我明白了,他们对我是 10 倍 PM 零期望,但对我的期望是做一个 10 倍学习者。
指向原始笔记的链接
I understood in that moment that they had zero expectation of me being a 10X PM, but the expectation of me was being a 10X learner.
—— Zevi Arnovitz · [64:34]
如果一个项目需要两周的工程时间或更少,那么工程师就要有效地充当该项目的 PM。
指向原始笔记的链接
If a project is two weeks of engineering time or less, then the engineer is on the hook to effectively be the PM for that.
—— Amol Avasare · [45:37]
他让我相信,PM(产品经理)这个概念在未来基本上讲不通。
指向原始笔记的链接
And he convinced me that the idea of a PM makes no sense basically in the future.
—— Keith Rabois · [35:33]
如果他们知道如何调整 UI 的小细节,但他们不理解智能体循环是如何工作的,我会更倾向于那种对理解智能体循环如何工作有深厚亲和力并且能够设计它们的设计师或产品经理,而不是那些能编写传统软件并调整样式的人。
指向原始笔记的链接
If they know how to tweak small details of the UI, but they don’t understand how an agent loop works, I would much rather take the designer or PM that deeply has an affinity for understanding how agent loops work and can design those than someone who can write traditional software and tweak styles.
—— Max Schoening · [09:23]
我认为这是因为 1 个 PM 可以做比以往任何时候多得多的事情,但没有那么多有这种技能、有那种判断力、是 AI 化的、无畏地经历所有这些环节的人,而且顺便说一句,他们要知道 PM 角色中最重要的事情永远且永远不会改变的是他们必须贴近客户。
指向原始笔记的链接
I think it’s because 1PM can do so much more than ever before, but there aren’t that many of them who are that skilled, that have that judgment, who are AI-pilled, who fearlessly are going through all of these pieces and, by the way, know that one of the most important things forever and will never change about the PM role is that they have to stay close to their customers.
—— Jiaona Zhang · [61:32]
理解针对哪个用例选择哪个界面,成为了一项核心的 PM 技能,这将帮助你变得效率提升 10 倍
指向原始笔记的链接
understanding which surface to reach for which use case becomes one of the core pm skills that will help you become 10x more effective
—— Jyothi Nookula · [05:39]
招聘这么多产品经理让工程师和设计师变得幼稚,他们完全有能力做出好的决策,但从来不需要这样做,因为总有一个产品经理来照看他们。
指向原始笔记的链接
Hiring so many PMs infantilizes the engineers and the designers who are perfectly capable of making good decisions, but just never had to because there was always a PM to babysit them.
—— Tom Verrilli · [00:08]
我真的很想看到,当我面试一个 PM 时,我想看到他们的 Git 仓库。
指向原始笔记的链接
I really want to see, when I interview a PM, I want to see their Git repository.
—— Srini Raghavan · [62:37]
我认为任何产品经理都能产生共鸣的事情之一是有两个世界,对吧?有一个美丽、干净、有条理的世界,在我们的每周优先事项或路线图里,那里的一切都非常清晰、美丽且井井有条。然后还有现实……正如我们所说,这是 Slack、会议、紧急优先事项、高管要求和无数仅仅流进流出的混乱。
指向原始笔记的链接
I think one of the things any PM can resonate with is the fact that there’s two worlds, right? There’s this beautiful, clean, organized world that’s in our weekly priority or our roadmap where everything is very clear and beautiful and fits in. And then there’s reality where… As we said, this chaos of slack and meetings and urgent priorities and executive asks and endless things that just flow in and out.
—— Daniel Blum · [12:03]
所以两年的路线图在三个月内完成。而我们最难的其实是往路线图里加什么——顺便说一句,这简直是每个 PM 的幻想。
指向原始笔记的链接
So two years of roadmap happens in three months. And we’re actually, our hardest problem is knowing what to add to the roadmap, which by the way, is like every PM’s fantasy.
—— Anish Acharya · [10:12]
② 出现在这些集
3 集
- 《Keith Rabois:别招大厂高管,别做客户调研》 — 作为概念
- 《SaaS 不会死,PM 迎来黄金期:Dan Shipper 的 AI 工作预测》 — 作为概念
- 《让最资深的人回去写文档:Whatnot CPO 的 PM 新法则》 — 作为概念
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