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垃圾话 (slop)

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我认为开源目前更大的问题是，它正某种意义上被善意的泛滥和来自那些试图贡献的人的大量劣质内容扼杀
I think the bigger problem for open source is at the moment, it’s sort of being killed with kindness and a lot of slop from people that are trying to contribute
—— 嘉宾 · [00:08]

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使用这些工具保持高速度的一个很大部分，就是不允许垃圾代码进入代码库。
A big part of maintaining high velocity with these tools is just not permitting slop to enter the code base.
—— Ryan Lopopolo · [11:36]

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我通常寻找对这门学科的明显掌控，但还要有品味，能说：“嘿，你要拥有无限的 token，我们不能只是在制造垃圾。”
I generally look for obviously command over the discipline, but then the taste to say, “Hey, you’re going to have unlimited tokens and we can’t just be doing slop.”
—— Andrew Ambrosino · [31:20]

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在我看来，内容机器真正产出垃圾内容的唯一情况，更多是指那个人在面试环节没分享出足够好的想法，而不是 AI 写出了糟糕的东西。
The only time in my view that the content machine actually produces slop is more of an indictment of the person not sharing good enough ideas during the interview step than the AI writing bad stuff.
—— Alex Lieberman · [00:59]

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我的看法是，AI 垃圾内容这事的滑稽之处在于，人们其实只是在指着自己说：我不够聪明。
My take is that AI slop is hilariously people just pointing the finger at themselves and saying, I’m not intelligent enough.
—— Alex Lieberman · [01:12]

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回到之前那个观点，哪怕你相信 AI 会制造垃圾、不让它替你起草，仅仅是让它帮你从空白页走到具体想法，我认为就已经把摩擦降低到你能真正养成创作习惯的程度。
And going back to the point of even if you believe that AI will create AI slop and you don’t want it drafting your content, just helping you go from blank page to concrete idea, I think lowers the friction so much that you’ll actually get in the habit of creating.
—— Alex Lieberman · [15:34]

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slop(低质内容)的概念对我来说非常有趣,因为我认为它是随着 AI 出现的,但我的看法一直是,有大量人类生产的 slop。
The slop concept is very interesting to me because I think it came out around AI, but my take at least has been there’s a ton of human produced slop.
—— Justine Moore · [22:21]

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为了击败劣质代码,我们必须成为劣质代码。
To defeat the slop, we must become the slop.
—— Vaibhav Gupta · [01:19]

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劣质代码就是任何你不阅读的代码。
Slop is just any code you don’t read.
—— Vaibhav Gupta · [01:30]

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无论你们承不承认,这都是你们的代码库曾经拥有的最少量的劣质代码。
Whether any of you admit it or not, this is the least amount of slop that your code base will ever have.
—— Vaibhav Gupta · [01:32]

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这就是烘烤进语言里的垃圾,不管你喜欢不喜欢。
This is just slop baked into the language, whether you like it or not.
—— Vaibhav Gupta · [08:14]

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但你以为你能用这种垃圾糊弄我吗？
But you thought that you could like fool me with this like slop?
—— Wes Bos · [25:47]

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现在有太多 AI 垃圾内容,你真的需要在组织内有品牌的守护者。
There is so much AI slop out there that you really need custodians of the brand within organizations.
—— Cliff Obrecht · [08:08]

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所以你可以称之为前 AI 时代的人类垃圾内容。
And so you can call it pre-AI human slop.
—— Parag · [18:42]

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而且我想说,有些 AI 垃圾内容实际上比我在 AI 出现之前见过的人类垃圾内容要好。
And I would argue that some AI slop is actually better than human slop that I’ve seen before AI.
—— Tyler Folkman · [28:43]

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如果你不设干预阈值，智能体要么制造垃圾内容，要么烧出极高的 token 账单，因为它只会一直试下去，要么它们会伪造测试，就为了让测试通过。
If you don’t do that, agents will either um create slop or run uh very high token bill because it’s just gonna keep trying, or they’re gonna fake the tests uh just to to to have the test passed.
—— Ran Arusi · [12:37]

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我觉得有时候很难定义什么是出色，但从大多数人都会同意的意义上说，定义什么是 slop 相当容易。
I think it is hard to define what is great sometimes, but I think it’s pretty easy to define what is slop in the sense that most people would agree.
—— Thais Castello Branco · [03:22]

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顺便说一句，这比大多数 LLM-as-a-judge 方法——也就是让一个 LLM 来判断那是优质的人类作品还是 AI 生成的 slop——表现都要好。
This performed better, by the way, than most LLM-as-a-judge methods of asking an LLM to judge if that is great human quality versus AI-generated slop.
—— Thais Castello Branco · [08:29]

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为什么不直接检索一个已经过通盘考虑、具有连贯性的梦幻品牌系统，而不是在那个时刻用生成的方式做出来的东西最终可能不太理想，或者又落入那些 slop 的特征里。
Why not retrieve a dreamy brand system that already has been thought out to be cohesive instead of doing like a generative approach the moment of that might end up not so great or might end up again in those pillars of slop.
—— Thais Castello Branco · [13:14]

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我们确实不知道如何正确地使用这些工具，而且太容易变成我们所说的「垃圾代码炮」。
We definitely did not know how to properly wield these tools, and it was way too easy to become what we call a slop cannon.
—— Jonathan Kelley · [06:45]

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我们全都开始互相扔垃圾内容。
We all just start launching slop at one another.
—— Charles · [00:05]

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我认为世界上充斥这么多垃圾的部分原因，是人们把问责甩掉了。
And I think part of what’s going on with all the slop in the world is people have shipped accountability.
—— Molly Graham · [36:45]

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就是说，我想大家可能已经有点厌倦审阅智能体生成的垃圾代码了。
Like, I expect that people are a little bit tired of reviewing agentic slop.
—— Zach Lloyd · [11:08]

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你是在用 slop 对抗 slop,对吧？
You’re using slop to fight slop, right?
—— Liz Fong-Jones · [41:16]

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现在要分辨哪些是真正由人写的、哪些是纯粹的垃圾内容,真的变得很难了。在某些情况下,它们反而增加了更多工作,而不是真正减少工作。
It’s literally becoming hard to understand what’s actually written by a human versus pure slop. In some cases, they’re adding more work, not actually deducting.
—— Faisal Masud · [00:18]

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我觉得很讽刺的是,你不能鼓励一个组织毫无护栏地 all-in——他们就是这么做的——然后,另一方面,又对组织里大量的垃圾内容有意见。你必须选定你的车道。
I find it ironic that you can’t encourage an organization to go all-in, which is what they did, with no guardrails around it, and then, on the other hand, have a problem with the massive amounts of slop in your organization. You have to pick your lane.
—— Faisal Masud · [05:45]

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单单这一点，我认为就是更好的、带引号的「智能体工程」，而不是「去做吧，别犯错，请自动合并，让我们继续堆一座巨大的 slop 山」。
That alone is just, I think, better, quote unquote, agentic engineering than just do it, make no mistakes, please auto-merge and let’s keep building a huge pile of slop.
—— 嘉宾 · [54:13]

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你不能把自己的思考委托出去、把它当作拐杖，因为那样你会得到这些庞大的、你根本解释不了的垃圾代码库。
You can’t delegate your thinking away and basically rely on it as a crutch because then you get these massive slop code bases that you can’t actually explain.
—— Yash · [48:59]

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创造软件的成本降低了,因此需求大幅增加,但这是针对一种非常特定的需求——能够高效管理编码智能体、而不是产出一大堆垃圾的人。
The sort of cost of software, creating software has gone down, therefore the demand has increased a lot, but for a very specific kind of demand for people who can manage coding agents productively instead of producing a whole bunch of slop.
—— Sean Wang · [48:55]

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而现在我们只需要让模块说得通。我可以容忍里面有垃圾内容,因为它能帮我跑得更快,只要我把垃圾控制在我完全理解整个系统的东西里。
Whereas now we just need to make the modules make sense. And I can allow slop in there because it helps me to go faster as long as I contain the slop in things where I completely understand the whole system.
—— Sean Wang · [51:46]

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Slop 就是生成速度超过判断速度时产生的结果。
Slop is what happens when generation outruns judgment.
—— Gabriel Martinez · [00:41]

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Slop 是那种在思考还没完成之前就看起来已经完工的产出。
Slop is output that looks finished before the thinking is finished.
—— Gabriel Martinez · [00:55]

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一种是用 AI 垃圾内容把量往上推，广撒网碰运气。另一种是真正变得非常有方法、有针对性地对待这些结果。
One is driving volume upwards through AI slop and just spraying and praying. The other is actually getting super methodical and targeted about how you approach these outcomes.
—— Daniel Saks · [17:25]

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