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• 《Bob Baxley：设计是可见的清晰思考》(00:14起):本集引用 Edward Tufte 的话说’设计是可见的清晰思考（clear thinking made visible）‘，它不是想法的视觉表达，而是一种整体心态——想象你想要生活在其中的未来，然后采取措施使其成真，产出的是组织一致性而非只是漂亮。
• 《Figma CEO Dylan Field:想赢,产品就得有品味》(00:05起):本集把它说成：软件竞争的胜负手。在软件创建成本趋近于零的时代，决定胜负的将纯粹是设计品味和手艺打磨，设计师也将成为未来的领导者。

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我也开始相信，我从未见过一家公司在创立后将设计嫁接上去。
I’ve also come to believe that I actually have never seen a company that grafted design on after the founding.
—— Bob Baxley · [14:32]

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区别在于，当你设计东西时，你会得到一堆砖块，它们被堆成了一堵美丽而无法逾越的墙。
The difference is when you design things, you end up with a bunch of bricks that are piled into a beautiful impenetrable wall.
—— Bob Baxley · [18:43]

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他说说一家公司是由设计主导的并不意味着它是由设计师主导的。
He said saying a company is design led does not mean it’s designer led.
—— Bob Baxley · [23:41]

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抱歉，但这就是在 Steve 领导下 Apple 一直以来的运作方式。设计总是向工程汇报。
Sorry, but that’s how it worked at Apple the whole time under Steve. Design always reported to engineering.
—— Bob Baxley · [30:38]

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在我发布任何Calendly之前，我和支持经理做了设计审查，对吧？一位支持经理必须在场，因为设计人员和工程人员，尽管我们很在乎，我们总是会发布问题，未来的债务。
Before I shipped anything Calendly, I did the design review with a support manager, right? A support manager had to be in the room because the design people and engineering people as much as we cared, we would ship problems all the time, future debt.
—— Oji · [14:52]

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有一个短语，我和我的联合创始人会在我们之间非常早地讨论并且我们与我们合作的很多公司分享了它，那就是说你真正想要的是你想用数据诊断并用设计治疗。
There’s one phrase that my co-founder and I would always discuss with us amongst ourselves very early on and which we shared with like a lot of the companies that we work with, which is what you really want is you want to diagnose with data and treat with design.
—— Julie Zhuo · [32:46]

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如果你想要在软件游戏中获胜，你需要通过设计来差异化。
If you want to win in the game of software, you need to differentiate through design.
—— Dylan Field · [58:11]

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所以我试着帮助我的领导者看到，他们可以设计自己的生活，以便他们 80% 的时间都花在他们的天赋上。
So I try to help my leaders see that they can design their lives so they’re spending 80% of their time in their gifts.
—— Rachel Lockett · [44:25]

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如今构建真的非常便宜。设计更昂贵，真的在思考你的产品，你要构建什么。它真的会解决一个痛点吗？什么是如今更有价值的？
Building is really cheap today. Design is more expensive, really thinking about your product, what you’re going to build. Is it going to really solve a pain point? Is what is way more valuable today?
—— Kiriti Badam · [64:53]

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我认为对我们来说，设计实际上在公司里一直充当着瓶颈，这非常重要。事情必须经过设计批准才能发布，这是有意的。
I think for us, design actually has always operated as a bottleneck at the company, which is incredibly important. It’s intentional that things need to be approved by design to ship.
—— Evan Spiegel · [36:29]

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如果他们知道如何调整 UI 的小细节，但他们不理解智能体循环是如何工作的，我会更倾向于那种对理解智能体循环如何工作有深厚亲和力并且能够设计它们的设计师或产品经理，而不是那些能编写传统软件并调整样式的人。
If they know how to tweak small details of the UI, but they don’t understand how an agent loop works, I would much rather take the designer or PM that deeply has an affinity for understanding how agent loops work and can design those than someone who can write traditional software and tweak styles.
—— Max Schoening · [09:23]

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游戏发布 10 分钟后,Zynga 的产品经理们就群发邮件分享了他们的分析,他们说这游戏一出世就死了,因为他的 FTUE,他的首次用户体验,点击次数太多且太糟糕,以至于没人能看到他出色的游戏设计。
And 10 minutes after the game came out, the Zynga PMs emailed around their analysis and they said it’s dead on arrival because his FTUE, his first time user experience was so many clicks and so bad that no one was ever going to see his great game design.
—— Mark Pincus · [05:40]

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多年来设计界无休止地讨论设计与代码这个话题,我现在就直说了,这是一场虚假的辩论。
For years the design industry has endlessly discussed this topic of design versus code and I will just say it flat out right now this is a false debate.
—— Dylan Field · [09:29]

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当客户尝试为你设计软件时经常发生的情况是，他们想要一个补丁。他们只想在某样突起的东西上贴一些管道胶带，但你会想，不，实际上这东西突起来的原因是铆钉没有合适的公差。
What happens a lot when customers try to design your software for you is they want a patch. They want to just put some duct tape on something that’s sticking up, but you go like, no, actually the reason this thing is sticking up is because the rivets are not the right tolerance.
—— 嘉宾 · [05:27]

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我们确实相信，递归的世界离我们并不遥远——AI 将设计它自己所需的系统，来训练和运行下一代 AI，包括这个。
We do believe that the world of recursion is not that far, where AI will design the systems it needs to train and run the next generation of AI, including this.
—— Sachin Katti · [00:21]

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这里的独特优势在于，我们知道未来的模型可能长什么样，因此能够走捷径，省去很多你在芯片侧需要做的决策、设计决策。
There’s a unique advantage here of us knowing what the future models might look like and therefore being able to short circuit a lot of the decisions you need to make, design decisions you need to make on the chip side.
—— Sachin Katti · [35:26]

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但我认为如果说设计和深刻的设计专业知识及思维因此而被挤出,那将是一个错误,仅仅是因为我们可以更快地编写代码,我们可以更快地进行数据分析。
But I think it would be a mistake to say design and deep design expertise and thinking gets squeezed out, just because we can write code faster, we can do data analysis faster.
—— Elizabeth Stone · [21:32]

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用数据做诊断，用设计做解决。
you diagnose with data and solve with design.
—— Jon Noronha · [23:19]

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当我们创办公司时,抗体设计的最先进技术大约是 0.1% 的结合率。
When we started the company, the state of the art for antibody design was about like a 0.1% binding rate.
—— Josh · [16:37]

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设计的角色是你最终看到了像素,但设计在组织中的角色是决策、利益相关者、引入需求和问题空间。
The role of design is you see the pixels at the end, but the role of design in an org is decisions and stakeholders and bringing in requirements and problem space.
—— Stephen Haney · [41:51]

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所以显然在设计和生产过程中重度使用，但它确实也是我的技术联合创始人。
So obviously heavily in the design and production process, but also it’s literally my technical co-founder.
—— Yana Welinder · [03:14]

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从安全角度来看，这些问题大多目前还没有答案，因为以前有一个假设，即你可以通过软件的发布者或其预期设计来知道软件会做什么。
From a security perspective, most of those questions aren’t currently answered because there was this assumption that you could know what software would do by its publisher or by its intended design.
—— Nick Warner · [16:07]

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默认情况下,上下文是在游戏引擎上,而不是在游戏设计这部分,而我认为我们应该把这个理念翻转过来。
By default, the context is on the game engine rather than on the game design part, and I think we should flip that idea.
—— Arturo Nunez · [07:42]

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尤其是图像和设计,LLM 有点更可替换一些,但在图像和设计上,我们真的需要掌控自己的命运。
Particularly for image and design, LLMs is a bit more sort of fungible, but for image and design we really needed to be in control of our own destiny there.
—— Cliff Obrecht · [16:46]

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最后但同样重要的是,默认做成无头(headless)的,并且为智能体作为操作者而设计,而不仅仅是副驾驶。
Last but not least, be headless by default and design for agents as operators and not just copilots.
—— Flora Liu · [20:13]

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所以在这里，我们把物理的一个深层结果用作神经网络的设计原理。
And so here we use something, a deep result from physics as a design principle for neural networks.
—— Max Welling · [56:53]

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你无法通过 Zoom 或通过支持工单与服务业务进行软件协同设计。
You cannot co-design software with a services business over Zoom or over a support ticket.
—— Varun Shenoy · [17:06]

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我的团队不再设计像素了。
My teams do not design the pixel anymore.
—— Gus Iwanaga · [21:26]

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而如果你能成功地把你的问题空间设计成有利于 AI 的方式，你就会很快得到一个人类还没想到的解决方案。
And if you can successfully design your problem space in a way that’s conducive to AI, you’re going to get a solution quickly that humans hadn’t thought of yet.
—— Brian McClendon · [27:43]

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实际的设计并不是占用时间最多的部分。占用时间最多的是验证、确认、调试。而 AI 非常擅长做这个。
The actual design is not the largest amount of time. The largest amount of time is in the verification, the validation, the debug. AI is really good at that.
—— Rene Haas · [00:20]

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我们可以成为这些拥有芯片技术的年轻公司的归宿，因为在其他情况下，它们必须自己想办法在微软或谷歌那里拿下设计中标。
We could become a home for these young companies who have chip technology that in other worlds they’d have to go up and figure out how to get a design win at Microsoft or Google.
—— Rene Haas · [17:29]

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从某种意义上说，现在我们有一个理解设计意图的智能，而同一个智能也能写代码。
In a sense, now we have one intelligence that understands design intent and the same intelligence can write code.
—— Jonathan Gordon · [03:26]

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当我们不同意的时候，我们会说，这是设计使然，我们代表的是生态系统的另一个部分。
when we disagree, we’ll say like it’s by design, we’re representing a different part of the ecosystem.
—— Matt Perault · [24:50]

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我不认为这是模型或能力上的挑战。这只是产品设计上的挑战。
I don’t think it’s a model or a capability challenge. It’s just a product design challenge.
—— Anish Acharya · [01:23]

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比如听着,你最高的使命从来就不是在 Figma 里设计渐变填充。
Like look, your highest calling was never to design gradient fills in Figma.
—— Claire Vo · [01:00]

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重新设计一下神明，而不是让自己扎根于现实世界，然后说：好吧，我们需要设计更好的控制手段、更好的网络安全。
Redesign the deity a little bit instead of rooting yourself in the world and saying, well, we need to design better controls, better cybersecurity.
—— Eddy Lazzarin · [06:44]

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所以也许现在操作系统、网络和计算机语言会迎来一次复兴。而且我们应该回到那些旧的研究，我们应该开始重建那些在设计上就是安全的系统。
So maybe now is going to be a renaissance in operating systems and network and computer languages. And we should like go back to the old research and we should kind of start rebuilding systems that are secure by design.
—— Steven Sinofsky · [37:46]

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这里的赌注是，循环设计可以替代检查。
The bet there is that loop design substitutes for inspection.
—— Laurie Voss · [06:21]

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互联网在协议设计方面其实已经有点停滞了，几乎没有什么新东西，一切都是在其之上构建的。
The internet has really kind of stagnated a bit from protocol design. There’s like not a lot of new stuff. All of it’s built on top.
—— Barrett Lyon · [07:45]

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所以是的,你要做到设计即安全,而不只是抱着希望说「请」,然后看看会发生什么。
So yeah, you want to be secure by design, not just hope and say please and see what’s going to happen.
—— Rowan Christmas · [04:37]

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在我看来，如果你不是产品工程师，如果你没有产品感或设计感，那么随着智能体持续变得更能干，你会非常容易被取代。
If you’re not a product engineer, if you don’t have product sense or design sense, that’s going to be really easy to replace you as the agents continue to get competent.
—— Kent C. Dodds · [36:15]

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把框架和设计搞对，比任何实际的编码都重要得多。
It’s much more important to get the frameworks and design right than any of the actual coding.
—— Yash · [48:45]

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在芯片设计领域工作的美国研发工程师数量在 20 年里基本持平，然而相关经济体却爆炸式增长。
The number of American R&D engineers working in chip design has been basically flat for 20 years, and yet the economy for it has exploded.
—— Dylan Patel · [18:36]

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Kent 在他那本小小的第一本书里说过，软件设计是一种人际关系的练习，对吧？AI 并没有改变这一点。
Kent put it in his tiny first book that software design is an exercise in human relationships, right? AI doesn’t change that.
—— Sam Newman · [18:26]

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任何涉及设计或架构的东西,你还是需要一个人类,因为智能体只会在你的代码库里局部地乱搞一通,把事情弄得更糟。
For anything that concerns the design or architecture, you still kind of need a human because the agent will just locally shit into your code base and make things worse.
—— Mario Zechner · [04:01]

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所以，我可以三个月就把这东西设计出来，但实际上我没法在九个月内把它大规模做成真正的硅片。
So, I can design the thing in three months, but I can’t actually get it into real silicon at scale for nine months.
—— Pat Gelsinger · [10:20]

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智能体能够主动给你发消息这件事，从设计角度改变了你对这个产品的思考方式，哪怕是以非常简单的方式。
The fact that an agent can message you proactively changes the nature of how you think about the product from a design perspective, even in super simple ways.
—— Alex Cornell · [03:54]

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如果你说技术创造越来越便宜，技术创造充足而繁茂，那么差异化因素——在我看来，其中一个显然会是设计和体验，它将是让你作为一个应用、一个产品或一个服务脱颖而出的东西。
If you argue that technology creation is increasingly cheap, technology creation is abundant and verdant, the differentiators, to me, clearly one of them will be design and experience, will be what makes you stand out as an application or as a product or a service.
—— Mike Cannon-Brookes · [07:22]

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很长时间以来第一次，我们又在解决基础性的设计挑战了，对吧？
For the first time in a long time, we’re solving foundational design challenges again, right?
—— Mike Cannon-Brookes · [10:06]

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• 《Bob Baxley：设计是可见的清晰思考》 — 作为概念
• 《Figma CEO Dylan Field:想赢,产品就得有品味》 — 作为概念

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