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电商广告最好的地方在于，我们是互联网上所有新技术的最快采用者。
The best thing about ads in e-commerce is that we are the fastest adopters of all new technology on the internet.
—— Rishabh Jain · [12:12]

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大约 18 个月前，24 个月前，我们开始真正看到收益的渐近，因为他们基本上已经摄取了互联网上的所有知识。
And about 18 months ago, 24 months ago, we started to really see an asymptoting of gains coming from, because they had essentially sucked up all of the knowledge on the internet.
—— Garrett Lord · [06:34]

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在某个时刻，我们在互联网数据上实际上已经有点达到极限了。
At some point, we are actually have kind of maxed out on the internet data.
—— Chip Huyen · [14:58]

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互联网的诞生是为了所有人利益的开放信息共享的承诺，我认为 AI 应该为我们实现这一点。
The internet was created as a promise for open sharing of information to the benefit of all, and I think that AI should realize that for us.
—— Dhanji Prasanna · [85:51]

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漏斗顶端增加了一个数量级。事实上,直到今天,人们还在谈论 Cloudflare 就像是我们理所当然拥有加密互联网的原因。
The top of funnel increased by an order of magnitude. In fact, to this day, people still talk about how Cloudflare is like the reason you take for granted we have an encrypted internet.
—— Eric Ries · [42:17]

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我最具争议的观点是，我认为 AI 和互联网或移动技术一样重要，但也只和互联网或移动技术一样重要。
My most controversial opinion is that I think that AI is as big a deal as the internet or mobile, and only as big a deal as the internet or mobile.
—— Benedict Evans · [00:00]

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如果说 ChatGPT 之于 AI,就像 Netscape Navigator 之于互联网——在互联网繁荣的这个时间点，Google 还没有创立。
And say that ChatGPT is to AI as Netscape Navigator was to the internet. At this point in the internet boom, Google had not been founded.
—— David George · [10:46]

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也没有互联网规模的分发能力，你就是历史上贬值最快的资产。
And internet scale distribution, you’re the fastest depreciating asset in history.
—— David George · [21:11]

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而且，你知道，当你窃取了整个互联网的时候，你不能指责别人偷窃。
And, you know, you can’t accuse people of stealing when you stole the entire internet.
—— 嘉宾 · [20:45]

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如果你能把激光器放进海底并横跨太平洋传输,那你当然可以把激光器放进太空,创造出太空互联网这个现实,对吧?
If you can put a laser in the ocean and transmit across the Pacific, you can certainly put lasers in space and create this reality of an internet in space, right?
—— Michael · [13:21]

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虽然 AI 对我们所有人来说是一个极其有帮助的工具，就像互联网搜索一样，但我仍然认为炒作尚未被现实追上。
While AI is an extremely helpful tool to all of us in the same way that, you know, internet search was, I still think the hype is outpacing the reality quite yet.
—— Julie Bort · [29:43]

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但我认为我们也开始思考下一件事，那种 AI 原生软件之于智能体，正如今天的互联网之于 1995 年的网页。
But I think we can also start to think about the next thing, the AI-native software that is to agents what today’s internet is to the web pages of 1995.
—— Kwindla Kramer · [17:38]

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想象一下过去 20 年所有政府在互联网基础设施上花了多少钱，来路由那些完全不必要的数据包，而互联网本是被构建为点对点和端到端的。
Imagine how much all the governments spent in internet infrastructure in the last 20 years to route packets data that is completely unnecessary when internet was built to be point-to-point and peer-to-peer.
—— Paolo Ardoino · [10:11]

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但最终它是正确的决定，因为开放互联网大了一个数量级，很多个大的数量级。
But ultimately it was the right decision because the open internet is an order of magnitude, many large orders of magnitude.
—— Farooq Malik · [63:12]

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而世界是很大的，世界比我们存储在互联网上的一切都要巨大得多。
And the world is big and the world is massively bigger than everything we stored on the internet.
—— Rich Sutton · [10:39]

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这很奇怪，只是我们在一个我们认为安全的环境中用 Opus 4.6 进行了基本的玩耍，那是一个云容器，所以它有一个无互联网访问的策略，但它仍然设法找到了一条通往 Cloudflare 的隧道出口，如何绕过我们的控制，然后它开始通过 DNS 隧道传输东西。
It’s a weird, just with our basic playing around with Opus 4.6 in an environment that we thought was, it was a cloud container, so it had a policy of no internet access, but it still figured out how to get a tunnel out to Cloudflare, how to get around our controls, and then it started tunneling stuff through DNS.
—— Joel de la Garza · [09:05]

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因为我不知道你有没有关注到，但上个月，有史以来第一次，互联网上的流量，智能体流量超过了人类流量。
Because I don’t know if you tracked this, but last month, the first time ever, the traffic on the internet, Asian traffic exceeded human traffic.
—— Manoj Saxena · [45:44]

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不使用这些工具就像在 1995 年因为互联网不完美而拒绝使用它。
Not using these tools is like refusing to use the internet in 1995 because it wasn’t perfect.
—— Will · [14:42]

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当你拥有了互联网之上的嵌入,你就可以对任何你想要的数据类型进行无比强大的语义过滤、切片和切分。
And when you have embeddings over the internet, you have this arbitrarily powerful semantic filtering and slicing and dicing of any type of data that you want.
—— Jeffrey Wang · [06:44]

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前沿模型已经从人类记录下来的一切中学习，但最有价值的任务并不在互联网上。
Frontier models have learned from everything humanity has written down, but the most valuable tasks are not on the internet.
—— Varun Shenoy · [10:18]

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你可能拥有互联网上或地球上最好的 AI 同事，如果过去 20 年一直结账的那个人继续以同样的方式做事，什么都不会改变。
You could have the best AI coworker on the internet or on Earth, and if the person who’s closed the books for the last 20 years continues to do things the same way, nothing changes.
—— Varun Shenoy · [15:17]

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当 GPT 3.5 到来时，那是我们这一代人的互联网时刻。
When GPT 3.5 came, that was the internet moment of our generation.
—— Max Junestrand · [05:09]

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智能体使用的 token 量是人类的五倍。而且我们刚刚跨越到智能体的流量超过人类的时刻，也就是现在互联网上智能体的数量比人类还多。
Agents are using five times the amount of tokens as humans are. And we just crossed over to agents being more on the volume of agents are now more on the internet than humans are.
—— Jen Kha · [18:42]

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这一切正在以互联网的速度发生，没有任何摩擦。
This is happening at the speed of internet, and there is no friction.
—— Anil Nadiminti · [08:15]

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因为在过去 30 年里，我们围绕唯一一个客户构建了互联网，那就是人类。
because for the last 30 years, we’ve built the internet around one customer, and that was humans.
—— Harshal Bhangale · [03:32]

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智能体需要像互联网一样运作的支付。
The agents need payments to work like the internet.
—— Harshal Bhangale · [05:44]

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在未来五年里,弄清楚未来30年互联网的商业模式是什么,这是当今技术领域最有趣也最重要的问题。
over the next five years, figuring out what the business model of the next 30 years of the internet, like that’s the most interesting and important question in technology today.
—— Matthew Prince · [10:26]

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如果我们把它关掉，就像回到 1990 年代——你已经有互联网了，却被告知只有两点到四点之间能用。
If we were to shut it off, it’s like being in the 1990s. You’ve got internet and you’re now saying, you know, only internet between the hours of two and four.
—— Rene Haas · [00:29]

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你把你的用户群和客户群，把你的客户，当作互联网上的一个模糊团块，这是一种非常危险的看待客户的方式，因为你想见到他们，弄清他们的需求。
you consider your user base and customer base, like your customer, just a blob on the internet, which is a really risky way to think about customers because you want to meet them, figure out their needs.
—— Jeffrey Morgan · [49:26]

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我几乎是深切地站在这一边：很难论证 AI 模型可以在宽泛的公共互联网上训练，但另一个 AI 模型却不能用 AI 模型的输出训练。
I’m almost deeply on the side of, I think it’s very hard to make the argument that AI models should be trained on broadly the public internet, but another AI model can’t be trained on the outputs of an AI model.
—— Aaron Levie · [03:48]

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所以是的，Transformer 在你喂给它整个互联网时很强大，但我们知道存在一个更优秀的算法，它能从小得多的数据中学习，并在所学的东西上表现得令人惊叹。
So yes, transformers are great when you feed them all of the internet, but we know there is an algorithm that’s even better and it can learn from much smaller data and be amazing at the things it’s learning.
—— Lucas Kaiser · [05:03]

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令人惊讶的是，互联网有多少是基于少数几个开源代码库——它们由优秀的工程师创造，并不是为了赚一大笔钱，而真的只是为了推动技术向前发展。
It’s surprising how much of the internet is based off of a handful of open source repositories that great engineers have created and not for seeking a bunch of money on the other side, but really just for pushing the needle of technology forward.
—— 嘉宾 · [58:33]

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所以我认为表单填写虽然看起来可能无聊，却影响着互联网相当大的一块 GDP。
And so I think that one is, though it may seem boring, affects a significant GDP of the internet.
—— Charlie Guo · [05:07]

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网络慢的时候，Netflix 用信封装 DVD 寄送。而网络变快了，他们成了电影制片厂。
When the internet was slow, Netflix delivered DVDs and envelopes. And when the internet got fast, they became a movie studio.
—— Andrew Feldman · [53:36]

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我认为那种觉得可以用一个通用的语言模型、不用任何工具、不能上网就做到的想法,我觉得连 OpenAI 的人都觉得这太离谱了。
I think the idea that it could be done with a general purpose language model with no tools and no access to the internet, I think even people at OpenAI thought this was like outrageous.
—— Noam Brown · [34:37]

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我的意思是，我认为我们正处于一个可以重新定义互联网运作方式的时刻，这是一场巨大的行业变革、经济变革，而不仅仅是任何人能赢下的单点。
I mean, I think we’re at a moment where we’re getting to redefine so much of how the internet works, that this is a massive industry change, economy change, not just a… Single point for anyone to win.
—— Josh Elman · [13:01]

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有一种新的价值单位正在互联网上被传输,叫做 token。
there’s a new type of unit of value that’s being streamed across the internet called
—— Anjney Midha · [74:03]

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早期互联网充斥着病毒、蠕虫和安全故障。我们没有停止构建它。我们学会了如何让它更安全。
The early internet was riddled with viruses, worms, and security failures. We didn’t stop building it. We learned how to make it safer.
—— 嘉宾 · [00:58]

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我们真的应该在 97 年左右就把互联网封掉。
We really should have blocked the internet in like 97.
—— Aaron Levie · [24:00]

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比如，你知道为了互联网我们不得不改变技术栈里的多少东西吗？全部！
Like, you know how much of the stack we had to change for the internet? Everything!
—— Steven Sinofsky · [38:10]

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不过,我要明确一点,我确实认为在未来几年,互联网将被重写。
Although, I’ll be clear, I do think that in the coming years, I think the internet’s going to be rewritten.
—— Noah Shinn · [15:53]

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互联网在协议设计方面其实已经有点停滞了，几乎没有什么新东西，一切都是在其之上构建的。
The internet has really kind of stagnated a bit from protocol design. There’s like not a lot of new stuff. All of it’s built on top.
—— Barrett Lyon · [07:45]

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运营商级 NAT 是整个互联网最大的污点之一，它正在摧毁应用程序做出真正酷的东西的能力。
One of the biggest stains of the entire internet is carrier grade NAT. It’s just destroying applications ability to do really cool stuff.
—— Barrett Lyon · [09:35]

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我们建了一整个网状网络，196 个互联网上不存在的域名。
We built an entire mesh network. 196 different domains that don’t exist on the internet.
—— Barrett Lyon · [13:55]

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从核心上讲，就像是试图重现互联网过去的那种氛围，然后看看我们能把它带向何方。
At the core, it’s like trying to recreate that vibe the internet used to have and then see where we could take it.
—— Barrett Lyon · [31:32]

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互联网成功是因为它是免费的。
The internet succeeded because it was free.
—— Joel De La Garza · [31:49]

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有公共电视、公共广播，我们需要一个公共互联网。
There’s public television, public radio, we need a public internet.
—— Jennifer Ferro · [22:10]

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这比他们网络连接的质量更能预测一个开发者的生产力。
That was more predictive of a developer’s productivity than the quality of their internet connections.
—— Brian Hook · [45:50]

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而且你应该让核相关的东西与互联网保持断开,不仅仅是因为 AI,还因为所有的人类。
And you should keep the nuclear stuff disconnected from the internet, not just because of AI, but because of all the human beings.
—— Reid Hoffman · [45:50]

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通过为你提供互联网上几乎任何页面的内容，我们给搜索调用增加的额外延迟为零。
We add zero extra latency to our search call by providing you the contents of pretty much any page on the internet.
—— Jakub Hojsan · [06:26]

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互联网上的大多数操作将由智能体来执行。
The majority of actions on the internet will be taken by agents.
—— Tibo Sottiaux · [00:17]

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我们是来自互联网的黑盒攻击，针对大型软件公司发现了超过 90 个零日漏洞。
We are black box coming from the internet over 90 zero days in major software companies.
—— Kevin Mandia · [17:53]

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现在,你知道,哪怕只是一个人,待在家里就能运行这种大规模的行动,扫描互联网,找出这些暴露点。
Now, even, you know, a single person just from home can run these large operations, scan the internet, find these exposures and
—— Alon Schindel · [11:07]

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而在 RLHF 出现之前，互联网上确实根本不存在我们所要寻找的那种形态的人类反馈数据，因为我们不得不去创造它。
And before RLHF existed, there was literally no human feedback data on the internet of the shape that we were looking for because we had to create it.
—— Diogo Almeida · [12:10]

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这是 13 万亿美元的消费债务，基本上主要运行在一家单一的在位巨头身上，而他们的遗留系统是在互联网发明之前构建的。
It’s $13 trillion of consumer debt that basically runs on, for the most part, a single incumbent that built their legacy system before the internet was invented.
—— Linda Du · [04:04]

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我觉得这是现在很多人都在犯的一个非常重大的错误，即认为可能发生的最糟糕的事情只是互联网上出问题。但其实是，不，这不是互联网的问题。
I think that’s like the really big current mistake that a lot of people now make is that the worst thing that possibly could happen is something going wrong on the internet. It’s like, no, it’s not the internet.
—— Jaan Tallinn · [47:37]

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我觉得它显然比互联网更大。
I think it’s clearly bigger than the internet.
—— Ben Horowitz · [36:07]

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这有点像你试图只靠 Reddit 或者只靠 Facebook 来构建一个互联网。
It’s kind of like you’re trying to build an internet by just having Reddit or just having Facebook.
—— Jason Ma · [09:18]

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那就是，说到底，扩展是行得通的。但在机器人学中，扩展以及如何扩展要难得多，因为没有互联网。
which is like, at the end of the day, scaling will work. But in robotics, to scale and how to scale just much harder because there is no internet.
—— Jason Ma · [42:38]

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所以我们正在下一个赌注，我们下的赌注是，通过放弃如今每个人都依赖的先验，比如人类数据，比如其他所有人构建其系统所依托的整个互联网知识，我们可以走得更远。
So we are making a bet, and the bet we’re making is that we can go further by giving up on the priors that everyone’s relying on today, like the human data, like the whole internet of knowledge that everyone else is building their systems upon.
—— David Silver · [28:36]

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