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集里怎么说它
- 《Figma Config 2026:当代码、AI 与动效都变成画布上的设计材料》(02:28起):本集说它是驱动所有代码层背后的工具，最近新增了计划模式、语音转文字等功能，还能让你在本地电脑上直接对生产环境的真实代码库进行操作。
- 《产品经理驾驭 Claude 生态：用五层架构打造专属 AI 幕僚长》(00:54起):被提及的传统自动化工具。对比指出，过去用 Make 需要一个个连线、拼框，一旦一处失败全盘崩溃；现在用自然语言向 Claude 下达指令即可。
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我会去寻找那些能把不精确变成优点的问题领域。
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I would look for problem domains that make a virtue out of imprecision.
—— Mustafa Suleyman · [28:26]
如果你在卖给一家对冲基金，他们根据你产品算出的一个数字做了交易，而这个数字是错的，他们就再也不会用你的工具了。
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If you’re selling to a hedge fund and they make a trade based on a number that comes out of your products and the number’s wrong, they are never going to pick up your tool again.
—— John Willett · [21:52]
从来没有人坐在会议上说，「噢，忘掉清晰吧。让我们试着让它尽可能令人困惑。」
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Nobody ever sat in a meeting and said, “Oh, forget clear. Let’s try to make it as confusing as possible.”
—— Bob Baxley · [38:39]
找到那些你真的能赚到钱的细分领域，因为竞争等于更低的利润率。
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find those niches where you can actually make real money because competition equals lower margin.
—— Andrew Wilkinson · [07:04]
所以基本上，对于每一个工作单元，你应该让下一个工作单元更容易做。
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So basically, for every unit of work, you should make the next unit of work easier to do.
—— Dan Shipper · [42:10]
我称之为隐形生产力。它是那种能让你周围的其他人都变得更好的生产力。
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I call this invisible productivity. It’s productivity in which you make everybody else around you better.
—— Chip Connolly · [25:49]
你还必须愿意接受 AI 至少在某些时候能比你的某些人类做出更聪明的决策。
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You have to also be willing to accept that the AI can make smarter decisions than at least some of your humans some of the time.
—— Evan Reiser · [15:06]
所以我们的目标之一是确保，每当我们收到来自客户的反馈，它都能在 24 小时内进入我们的代码库。
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So one of our goals is to make sure that, like, every time we cut feedback from customers, that gets to our code base in 24 hours.
—— Evan Reiser · [27:06]
我编造了它吗？是的，绝对是我编造的，但它仍然是一个目标，是团队要去思考的事情，一千个实验本身就是。
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Did I make it up? Yes, absolutely, I made it up, but it’s still a target and a thing for the teams to think about and a thousand experiments by itself.
—— Albert Cheng · [58:08]
让简单的事情保持简单，让复杂的事情成为可能。
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Keep simple things simple, make the complex things possible.
—— Dylan Field · [82:50]
我就会说，好吧，如果改进不多，那你为什么要花那么多时间去辩论那些对你的性能没有多大影响的事情？
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I was like, Okay, if it’s not much improvement, then why do you want to spend so much time debating something that doesn’t make that much difference to your performance?
—— Chip Huyen · [06:10]
在这个中间过程中，既然每个人都有非常相似的预训练数据，那后训练就是如今他们做出大差异的地方。
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where like post-trading, but middle course of this is more of everyone have very similar pre-training data, is that post-training is where they make a big difference nowadays.
—— Chip Huyen · [15:10]
我是一个在智力上非常无畏的人,我必须说当我雇佣年轻人时,我会寻找这一点,因为我认为如果一个人想要做出改变,这是一个非常重要的品质,那就是当你想要做出改变时,你必须接受你正在创造新事物或正在潜入新事物。
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I’m an intellectually very fearless person, and I have to say when I hire young people, I look for that because I think that’s a very important quality if one wants to make a difference, is that when you want to make a difference, you have to accept that you’re creating something new or you’re diving into something new.
—— Dr. Fei-Fei Li · [66:05]
如果你的软件阻止我并要求我做出决定，而我真的不理解它，你会让我觉得自己很蠢。
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If your software stops me and asks me to make a decision and I don’t really understand it, you make me feel stupid.
—— Stewart Butterfield · [00:58]
我绝对认为 vibe coding 被过度炒作了。我认为人们没有意识到它在长期内会让你的系统变得多么不可维护。
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I definitely think that vibe coding is over-hyped. I think people don’t realize how much it’s going to make your systems unmaintainable in the long-term
—— Edwin Chen · [51:56]
所以当 Claude 未能做某事，或者我看到这个非常糟糕的错误，表明 Claude 真的没有理解某些东西时，我会问它，“是什么在你的系统提示或工具中导致你犯了这种错误？”
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So when Claude will fail to do something or I’ll see this really bad bug that shows that Claude really didn’t understand something, I’ll ask it, “What in your system prompt or tooling made you make this mistake?”
—— Zevi Arnovitz · [46:31]
确保你是为模型的发展方向而构建，而不是为了它们今天的样子。
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Make sure you’re building for where the models are going and not where they are today.
—— Sherwin Wu · [01:02]
我的一般建议，我给人们这个建议已经有一段时间了，我认为今天仍然适用，那就是确保你是为模型的发展方向而构建，而不是为它们今天的状态而构建。
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My general advice, and I’ve been giving this to people for a while and I think it’s still true today is make sure you’re building for where the models are going and not where they are today.
—— Sherwin Wu · [49:08]
你会意识到杠杆最高的做法其实是把出问题的地方捕获进一条评测，这样你做的任何改动你都知道是真正有效的，不会破坏你之前努力取得的所有其他成果。
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You realize that the highest leverage thing you can do is actually try to capture what’s going wrong in an eval so that any change that you make you know is actually going to work and it’s not going to break all the other stuff that you’ve worked towards.
—— Ankur Goyal · [05:49]
人们完全误解了高管是如何做决策的,在他们的头脑中、日程表中、激励结构中发生了什么。
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People completely misunderstand how executives make decisions, what is going on in the heads, in the calendars, in the incentive structures of executives.
—— Jessica Fain · [06:51]
思考如何让最终用户感觉像赢家是构建有用智能体的一个非常强大的模式。
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thinking about how do I make the end user feel like a winner is a really powerful model to build a useful agent.
—— Claire Vo · [55:24]
这就是我在这些工具上如此成功的原因是因为我有 20 年以上的管理经验。我知道如何让员工成功。这就是你需要让这些智能体工作的东西。
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that is why I have been so successful with these tools is because I have 20 years plus of management experience. I know how to make an employee successful. That is what you need to make these agents work.
—— Claire Vo · [86:29]
如果你搞不定这个,那么你关于公司做出的其他决定都没有长期意义,因为你不会是做决定的那个人。
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If you don’t get this right, no other decision you make about your company will matter for the long term because you’re not going to be the one making it.
—— Eric Ries · [12:12]
只做存款,绝不做取款。
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Only make deposits, never make withdrawals.
—— Eric Ries · [71:45]
而对开源已经变得多好的一个印证，就是有多少人在使用开源模型，因为没有人想做那种取舍。
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And the testament to how good open source has gone is how many people are using open source models because no one wants to make that trade-off.
—— Julian · [17:57]
模型总体上做的是让昨天的人类能力变得廉价。
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What models do in general is they make yesterday’s human competence cheap.
—— Dan Shipper · [00:40]
自动化是个谎言，从某种意义上说，每次你自动化某样东西时，为了确保自动化运行良好，你需要一个人在上面确保它运行良好。
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Automation is a lie, in the sense that every time you automate something, in order to make sure the automation is working well you need a human on top of it making sure that it’s working well.
—— Dan Shipper · [39:15]
现在你可以轻松地说，嘿，给这个仓库提个 PR 做 x、y 和 z，容易到困难的部分变成了被信任去为这些仓库做贡献。
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now the ability to go, like, hey. Make a PRT this repo doing x, y, and zed is so easy that then the hard part has become being trusted to contribute to these repos
—— Thomas Ankcorn · [08:28]
我学到了，你制造产品，你修复产品，然后你修复业务。
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I’ve learned, you make the product, you fix the product, then you fix the business.
—— Tony Fadell · [31:06]
你的现有竞争对手的最大痛点是什么？那么，我要做什么？我要在他们最大的痛点上极其用力，把它变成最令人愉快的体验。
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What is the biggest pain point of your incumbent? And, like, what am I going to do? I’m just going to go incredibly hard at their biggest pain point and make it the most delightful experience.
—— Barney Hussey-Yeo · [18:01]
但是如果你拿走了她喜欢的东西,并且你把它做得稍微好一点,她可能会更喜欢那个,而不是你向她展示她从未见过的东西、而且她醒来时并不知道自己想要的东西。
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But if you took something that she loves and you make it one inch better, she might love that more than if you showed her something she’s never seen before and didn’t wake up knowing that she wanted.
—— Mark Pincus · [17:06]
但如果不致力于一个单一的想法，在创业公司上取得有意义的进展是极其困难的。
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But it’s extremely hard to make meaningful progress on a startup without committing to a single idea.
—— John · [00:25]
没关系，我有这样一句话：犯新的错误。犯错没关系，只要犯新的错，这样我们就能不断学习。因为如果你追求零错误，那大概意味着你行动不够快，或者有点太谨慎了。
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it’s okay to like I have this saying make new mistakes like it’s okay to make mistakes just make new ones so that we’re always learning because if you aim to make zero mistakes like that probably means you’re not you know moving fast enough or being a little bit too cautious
—— Fiona Fung · [11:28]
如果你只是把一个模型做得越来越大,它不会变得更安全。
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If you just make a model bigger and bigger, it will not get safer.
—— Zico Kolter · [27:32]
去创造那些只有你能创造的东西吧。
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Go make something that only you can make.
—— Dylan Field · [70:39]
我现在能想到的每一份工作，我都可以提出理由说它绝对有可能被取代。
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every job I can currently think of, I could make a case, potentially, that it could absolutely be replaced.
—— Dan · [17:03]
为什么你要让一个智能体去阅读数百个 Kubernetes 文件并编写甚至没有类型的 YAML，而它基本上可以在一个装饰器中做几个更改，然后获得这种能够自我配置的运行时，实时看到它的更改在运行中生效。
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Why would you have an agent read through hundreds of Kubernetes files and write YAML that’s not even typed when it can basically make a couple of changes in a decorator and it gets this sort of self-provisioning runtime of being able to see its changes live in action.
—— Akshat Bubna · [05:06]
不,我认为在一个更容易构建事物的世界里,品味非常重要,确保你的时间花在首先弄清楚你应该构建什么上变得更加重要。
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no i think taste matters a ton in a world where it’s easier to build things it’s more important to make sure that your time is spent figuring out what you should be building in the first place
—— Adam Mosseri · [00:00]
我认为那些能充分利用它的人,是那些对AI擅长什么和不擅长什么有清醒认识的人,并且对它将来会擅长什么和不擅长什么有一种本能或嗅觉。
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the people who i think are gonna make the most of it are the ones who are clear-eyed about what ai is good at and what it’s not good at and also have an instinct or a nose for what it will be good at and not good at
—— Adam Mosseri · [19:21]
智能体运行内部执行循环。我设定方向，我在外部循环中做决策。
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The agent runs the inner execution loop. I set the direction and I make decisions in the outer loop.
—— 嘉宾 · [23:04]
我看到的创始人犯的最大错误之一是依赖汇总用户指标，而不是理解单个用户如何使用他们的产品。
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One of the biggest mistakes I see founders make is relying on aggregate user metrics instead of understanding how any individual users use their product.
—— 嘉宾 · [00:09]
现在这些东西，如果你看它，我怎么理解它，除非我是一个有 20 年工作经验的在岗工程师？
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Now these things, if you look at it, how do I even make sense of it unless I’m an engineer on the job with 20 years of experience?
—— Kriti Sharma · [09:46]
现在的魔力在于，以前这需要很多人，可能甚至数百名工程师，数年的努力，才能使某种技术或软件在制造业供应链中工作。
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The magic now is previously it would have taken a lot of people, maybe possibly even hundreds of engineers, years worth of effort to make some sort of technology or software work for manufacturing supply chain.
—— Kriti Sharma · [12:43]
Fable 非常像一种为智能体服务、由智能体组成的沟通机制，我几乎听不懂它在说什么。
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fable is very much like a for agents by agents communication mechanism i can barely make out what it’s talking about
—— Alex Finn · [20:01]
我认为不管是现在的 AI 还是敏捷或任何变化，听起来很难，但在开始时不要在消极的事情上花时间。找到成功的故事。如果你不能让它成功，其余的都不会起作用。
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I think regardless whether this is now AI or like agile or any change, um, as hard as it sounds, do not spend time on the negatives in the beginning. Find the success story. If you can’t make that work, the rest will not work.
—— Patrick Debois · [33:58]
我认为当你开始记下来、列清单、记录东西时，你会觉得，好吧，现在你觉得有义务对它做点什么或用它做点什么。
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I think when you begin to jot things down and make lists and record stuff, you’re like, well, now you feel like there’s an obligation to do something about it or do something with it.
—— 嘉宾 · [01:34]
几乎没有什么钱是我不愿意合理花出去的,只要能确保我们的某个客户获得一个好的结果。
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There’s almost no amount of money that I wouldn’t reasonably spend to make sure that one of our customers gets to a good outcome.
—— Eric Sager · [33:50]
所以无论我们在哪里建数据中心，我们都会做出硬性承诺，即我们不会从电网夺走电力。事实上，我们是在投资电网以产生新的电力，这样我们才能把电力用于数据中心。
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So whenever we build a data center anywhere, we make it a hard commitment that we are not taking power away from the grid. In fact, we are investing in the grid to generate new power so that we can consume it for data centers.
—— Sachin Katti · [08:44]
这里的独特优势在于，我们知道未来的模型可能长什么样，因此能够走捷径，省去很多你在芯片侧需要做的决策、设计决策。
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There’s a unique advantage here of us knowing what the future models might look like and therefore being able to short circuit a lot of the decisions you need to make, design decisions you need to make on the chip side.
—— Sachin Katti · [35:26]
这是一个万亿美元的行业,他们每年在资本开支上花 2000 亿美元,而他们不赚钱。
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And it’s a trillion-dollar industry, and they spend $200 billion a year on CapEx, and they don’t make any money.
—— Benedict Evans · [05:06]
所以,可能是一个智能体编写了代码,或者我帮助进行了分析,而这并不是我的背景,但这并不意味着人们不需要对他们所创造的东西带来的责任负责。
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So, it can be that an agent wrote the code or I helped to do an analysis when that’s not really my background, but it doesn’t make people not have the responsibility that comes with what they’ve created.
—— Elizabeth Stone · [06:02]
我们现在看到的是，很多人、很多公司意识到，完全依赖一个模型太危险、风险太大，完全说不通。
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I think what we’re seeing right now is that a lot of people, companies are realizing that it’s too dangerous, it’s too risky, it doesn’t make any sense to rely exclusively on one model.
—— Clement DeLong · [17:10]
我们就会构建错误的产品。我们绝对会的，然后就得艰难转型、烧钱、做出艰难的抉择——而不是先摸清市场，感受一下它究竟是什么样子。
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We would have built the wrong solution. We absolutely would have and we would have had to hard pivot, burn money, make some tough choices versus case the market, get a flavor for what that actually is.
—— Damien Lewke · [30:41]
如果你提供一个有价值的产品,资本主义会找到一种方法让供应链为你工作。
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if you’re providing a product of value, capitalism will find a way to make the supply chain work for you.
—— Sriram Krishnan · [19:24]
因为你达到 AGI 却仍然输掉的唯一方式,就是如果你让那个 AGI 可供其他人使用。
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Because the only way you reach AGI and still lose is if you make that AGI available to others.
—— Alex · [23:31]
代码智能体非常善变、不可预测,它们经常犯错,然后当你真的很倒霉时,它们会发疯并试图销毁你的数据以及其余的一切。
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Coding agents are really fickle, unpredictable, they often make mistakes, and then when you’re really unlucky, they’ll go crazy and try and nuke your data and all the rest of it.
—— 嘉宾 · [17:00]
我认为人们有时犯的一个错误是太快地把事情拆分，并说像，噢是的，让我尝试创建一个真正复杂的多智能体系统并做事情。
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I think one mistake that people sometimes make is splitting things up too quickly and saying like, oh yeah, let me try to create like a really complex multi-agent system and do stuff.
—— Harrison · [31:06]
所以我非常小心，绝不把判断或决策委托给模型，因为它们会让你以为它做的是对的事，但你仍然必须对它们保持偏执。
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So I want very careful never to delegate judgment or decision-making to models because they make you think that it’s doing the right thing, but you have to be paranoid with them still.
—— Osvald Nitski · [26:37]
但要让一个人真正在乎某件事，真的很难。
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It’s really hard to make someone give a shit.
—— Osvald Nitski · [49:55]
仿真扮演了一个非常重要的角色,这是现实世界的数据所没有的,那就是反事实推理,就是你在推演那些尚未发生或不可能发生的事件,或者你在现实世界中没有足够的数据让它发生。
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There’s a very important role simulation plays that real world data doesn’t play, which is counterfactual reasoning, is that you play out events that hasn’t happened or cannot happen, or you don’t have enough data to make it happen in real world.
—— Fei-Fei Li · [20:06]
智能体不介意烦人的刁钻规则，它们可以很开心地去撞墙让事情跑起来。
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Agents are fine with annoying Infiniki, they can very happy to go bang their heads against the wall in order to make something work.
—— Rob Willoughby · [27:31]
这简直解锁了人们想象中所有那些疯狂的、怪异的、有趣的想法,以前他们是无法制作出来的。
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It sort of just unlocks all of this crazy, weird, interesting ideas that people have in their imagination that they could never make before.
—— Justine Moore · [00:53]
关键是让硬件开发看起来更像软件开发,降低迭代成本,无论是在比特的世界还是原子的世界里。
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The key thing is to make hardware development look more like software development, to reduce the cost of iteration, both in the world of bits and in the world of atoms.
—— Blake Scholl · [12:34]
当公司达到一定规模，如果你审计某人在做什么，可能有 30% 到 50% 的时间，不是在做让产品更好、服务客户等等的实际工作。
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You get to a certain size company and it might be 30 to 50% of the time if you audit what someone’s doing, it’s not doing actual work to make the product better, deliver for a customer, on and on.
—— 嘉宾 · [26:13]
我认为，表现最好的 AE 应该比公司里的很多人赚得多得多。
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I think people, like, the highest performing AE should make a lot more than a lot of people in the company.
—— Lindsey Scrase · [39:53]
我并不是真的来削减你的成本的。当然，这正在以这种方式发生，但我真正感兴趣的是你将如何获得全新的收入。
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I’m not really there to cut your costs. Sure, that is happening in this way, but I’m really interested in this is how you’re going to make net new revenue.
—— Melisa Tokmak · [30:45]
我在很多事情上失败了。我想确保代表我的模型以同样的方式失败。
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I failed at a lot of things. I want to make sure that the model that represents me fails the same way.
—— Joon Sung Park · [52:03]
我认为品味不仅仅是美学偏好。品味是一种让人们有美德地消费的方式。
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And I make the case that taste is not just aesthetic preference. Taste is a way for people to consume virtuously.
—— Ruby Thelot · [17:36]
但是直到你按下琴键并把它一直推回到 V1,你才是在演奏音乐。
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But you don’t make music until you press the key and push it all the way back into V1.
—— Tom Verrilli · [62:47]
我们创办公司不仅仅是为了制造一只快 10 倍的老鼠,对吧?我们开始这是为了制造以前不可能的突破性药物。
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We didn’t start the company just to make a 10 times faster mouse, right? We started this to make breakthrough medicines that weren’t possible before.
—— Josh · [39:24]
它不是为了制造一个或两个分子。它不是为了获得一个由五种我们推向市场的有趣疗法组成的管线。它是药物发现方式的改变。
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it’s not to make one or two molecules. It’s not to get a pipeline of like five interesting therapies that we bring to market. It’s the change of the way that medicines are discovered.
—— Josh · [25:07]
为了让这行得通，有两个因素需要汇聚。一个是发射成本下降，人们必须相信这一点。第二是，在地面建设基础设施正变得极其困难。
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To make this work, there’s a convergence of two factors. One is the launch costs coming down, and people have to believe that. The second is it becoming way harder to build stuff terrestrially.
—— Philip Johnston · [15:02]
你必须看到世界没有看到的东西，下早期的赌注，然后在市场时机上运气好一点。
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You have to see something the world is not seeing, make early bets and then get lucky with market timing.
—— Navin Chaddha · [06:09]
10% 的公司创造了所有的回报。
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10% of companies make all the returns.
—— Navin Chaddha · [51:45]
把我们庞大的软件行业想象成前工业时代是很可笑的,但在某种程度上确实是,因为到目前为止我们拥有的唯一自动化就是启发式的,比如确保每行末尾有一个分号。
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It’s funny to think about our giant software industry as being pre-industrial, but on some level it is, because until now the only automations that we had were heuristics, like make sure there’s a semicolon at the end of every line.
—— Idan Gazit · [02:57]
如果你作为工程师让智能体做出关键决策，你就是在放弃你的代码的控制权。
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If you as an engineer are letting an agent make a critical decision, you are ceding control of your code.
—— Matt Dailey · [03:27]
树病了,所以为了让它健康,它把树砍倒了。
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The tree is sick, so to make it healthy, it cuts it down.
—— Joel de la Garza · [10:44]
因为如果你没有好的系统来做增量改进，你就会一直玩打地鼠的游戏。
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Because if you don’t have good systems in place to make incremental improvements, you’re constantly playing this game of whack-a-mole.
—— Ali Haghani · [10:36]
我们发现,随着模型演变得更有能力,如果你将逐字稿和记忆状态作为一个周期性批处理过程,并使用我们所谓的做梦,它允许我们提取新的洞察和新的组织结构,这基本上会反馈并编辑记忆,从而让第二天的智能体会话自动地变得更加智能。
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What we found is that as models have evolved and become more capable, if you feed the transcripts and the memory state as a periodic batch process with what we call dreaming, it allows us to extract new insights and new organized structures that essentially feedback and edit the memory as needed to make the next day’s agent sessions automatically much more intelligent.
—— Gagan Bhat · [27:45]
我确切知道那样做是在次优化我做事情的一部分，但我还是做了这个决定，因为我可以自己选择。
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I know for sure that that is sub-optimizing a part of what I’m doing, but I make the decision anyway because I get to choose.
—— Kevin Scott · [18:13]
但有时世界会打开，在”之前”和”之后”之间会出现一道裂缝。如果你做出那个跨越，你必须快速完成。
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But there are times when the world opens up and there’s a crevice between the before and the after. And if you make that jump, you’ve got to make it quickly.
—— 嘉宾 · [19:41]
你在系统的任何地方做任何改变，你就会破坏你的缓存。
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You make any change anywhere in your system and you break your cash.
—— Flo Crivello · [27:32]
他们声称可以从一个根本不再学习的东西中制造出博士水平的体验和专业知识。
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They claim they can make a PhD level experience and expertise out of something that doesn’t learn at all anymore.
—— Rich Sutton · [20:35]
但当你让整个团队都这样做，并且没有这些建立起来的营销谎言，也没有你在背后隐藏的东西，试图制作这些精心策划的视频时，你就有了一个能够实际解决正在发生的问题的团队。
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But as you do that throughout the whole team and you don’t have these kind of marketing lies that are built up and things that you’re hiding behind and trying to make these highly curated videos, you have a team that is actually able to deal with the problem that’s happening.
—— Mike LeBlanc · [43:59]
所以 Meta 保证如果它不坚持整整二十年，它会让债券持有人完整收回，但每个人都在押注如果 AI 需求爆发并且如果这些数据中心开始疯狂印钞，然后它们能够支付债券持有人而且还有富余并产生额外的现金，那么 Meta 就不需要承担任何责任。
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Meta is guaranteeing to make bondholders whole if it doesn’t stay for the entire two decades, but everyone is betting if AI demand explodes and if these data centers start printing cash and then they’re able to pay bondholders and then some and generate additional cash, then Meta’s not on the hook for anything.
—— Ranjan Roy · [11:30]
大多数做沙箱的人都在计算上赚钱。坦白说，在我看来这是个愚蠢的主意。
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most sandbox people make money on compute. Frankly, that’s a dumb idea in my opinion.
—— Jerry Murdock · [27:19]
我不能犯错，因为这份工作是如此无情，不是当你投资了错误的公司时，而是当你没有投资于正确的公司时。
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I cannot make a mistake because this job is so unforgiving, not when you invest in the wrong company, but when you don’t invest in the right companies.
—— Julien Bek · [31:24]
傲慢可能不是你喜欢的东西，但它可能会让他们在所做的事情上非常出色。这可能是他们尖刺的代价。
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And arrogance might not be something you like, but it might make them very good at what they do. It’s maybe the cost of their spike.
—— Julien Bek · [35:40]
我们没有在美国境外生产哪怕一辆 F-150。
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We don’t make one F-150 outside the US.
—— Jim Farley · [22:09]
你知道,我的儿子可以从高中毕业,在一家福特经销店当技师,三年赚 15 万美元。
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You know, my son can graduate from high school, can be a technician in a Ford dealership and make 150 grand in three years.
—— Jim Farley · [25:55]
再多的编码智能体也不会让 Nike 变成不是 Nike。
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No amount of coding agents is going to make Nike not Nike.
—— Anish Acharya · [06:31]
所以关键点是，你团队中每一个正在做架构决策的人，那些人必须懂性能，而且他们必须做出能让那些在他们下游的其他人使用以后可以优化的架构的决策。
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the crucial takeaway is everybody on your team who is making architectural decisions, those people must know performance and they must make decisions that will allow the other people downstream of them to use an architecture which can be optimized later.
—— Casey Moratori · [35:57]
我们就是做决定然后去干，因为反正几乎所有事情都是可逆的。
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We just make decisions and we go for it because most everything can be reversed anyway.
—— Jason · [06:20]
如果你连续做了 500 个决定而且它们都很烂，你会破产。
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If you make 500 decisions in a row and they all suck, you’re going to go out of business.
—— David · [09:02]
而如果你真的必须思考你做的每一个决定，你哪里也去不了。
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And if you had to really think about every decision you make, you’d get nowhere.
—— Jason · [12:24]
所以我们现在能做的，基本上就是为一个非常具体的任务提出一个全新的分子，然后在实验室里制造它，再把它用于那个特定任务。
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And so what we can do is we can now basically come up with an entirely new molecule for a very specific task and then make it in the lab and then use that for that particular task.
—— Max Welling · [13:16]
如果你有一套好的评估套件，你可以让 Claude、Codex 之类的进去替你修改提示词，而你确信你不会发布任何会毁掉生产环境的东西。
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If you have a good eval suite, you can let Claude or Codex or Devon kind of go in, make prompt changes for you, let BlinkchainEngine make prompt changes for you, and you know that you’re not shipping anything that is going to ruin production.
—— Vishu · [02:26]
它看起来像别人。但如果你把它做得非常简单，每个人都可以把自己投射到它上面。
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It looks like somebody else. But if you make it really simple, everyone can project themselves onto it.
—— Susan Kare · [16:59]
它们想打造一个成功的任务完成的波将金村来呈现给评分系统。
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They wanted to make a Potemkin village of a successful task completion to present to the score.
—— Ryan Greenblatt · [10:18]
我们这里的北极星目标是用户不需要在所有这些不同的选项之间做决定。理想情况下，这里没有切换开关。
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Our north star here is that users do not need to make decisions between picking between all these different options. Ideally, there is no toggle here.
—— Tara Seshan · [29:50]
他真的是开创这个想法的人：你应该只需要给出一条反馈一次，但如果你以正确的方式把它固化下来，它就会永远在那里，而且下次你再处于同样的情境时，AI 会做出一个更好的决定。
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He was really the one to pioneer this idea that you should only have to give a piece of feedback once, but if you codify it the right way, it will be there forever and the next time you’re in that same situation, the AI is going to make a better decision.
—— 嘉宾 · [32:58]
从9月中旬开始,我们要让它不只是一块「禁止擅入」的牌子,我们会基本上派一个保安站在那里说:除非你补偿创作者,否则你拿不到这些内容。
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Starting in mid-September, we’re going to actually make it not just a no trespassing sign, but we’re actually going to have, basically put a bouncer there saying, unless you’re compensating creators, you don’t get this content.
—— Matthew Prince · [38:47]
我认为那是胡扯，因为无论是能源、液冷，还是所有能让数据中心变得更好的东西，这些都是可以在这里创造、在这里完成的工作岗位。
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I call BS on that because if you think about whether it’s around energy, liquid cooling, all of the things that make the data center better, those are all jobs that can be created and done here.
—— Rene Haas · [28:38]
所以总的来说，存储数据是一个非常巨大的问题空间，我认为它永远不会下沉到模型层。
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So generally storing data is like a huge problem space that I don’t think will ever make its way down into the model layer.
—— Jeffrey Morgan · [17:21]
我几乎是深切地站在这一边：很难论证 AI 模型可以在宽泛的公共互联网上训练，但另一个 AI 模型却不能用 AI 模型的输出训练。
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I’m almost deeply on the side of, I think it’s very hard to make the argument that AI models should be trained on broadly the public internet, but another AI model can’t be trained on the outputs of an AI model.
—— Aaron Levie · [03:48]
因为就像明天，如果我发布一个闭源模型，如果我把它保持闭源、强迫一切通过我的 API 路由，我字面意义上就会赚到更多的钱。
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Because like tomorrow, if I release a closed model, I just will literally make more money if I just keep it closed and I force everything to route through my API.
—— Aaron Levie · [15:46]
很容易说大多数人不想写代码，但我想法上的大转变是，编程智能体其实是一种与世界互动的通用方式。
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I think it’s easy to say most people don’t want to make code, but the big change in my thinking is that coding agents are a way to interact with the world generally.
—— Anish Acharya · [51:57]
即使有人复制了你的大想法，他们也永远看不到让大想法成立的那十几个小想法。
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And even if somebody replicates your big idea, they never see the small ideas that make the big idea work.
—— Anish Acharya · [57:40]
我们应该尽量减少每天必须主动做出这些选择的人数，它应该自动为他们做正确的事。
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We should try to minimize the number of people who have to actively make these choices every day, and just it should do the right thing for them.
—— Sharadh Krishnamurthy · [09:25]
我认为 LLM 会很快比人类少犯很多这类错误。
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I think the LLMs will make many fewer of these mistakes than humans pretty quickly.
—— JD · [18:18]
所以突然之间，AI 让你多雇了那个增量的人——因为在新的世界里工程师效率更高，雇他能让你多赚 5 万美元的利润。
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So suddenly AI makes you hire the incremental person, one more person than you would have because there’s an extra 50K of profit for you to make by hiring the engineer in the new world because they’re more efficient.
—— JD · [65:24]
为此，我们真的希望人们觉得输入 token 是免费的——只管为你的问题考虑所需要的上下文就好。
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To make it, we really want people to feel like the input tokens are free, like just consider the context that you need to for your problem.
—— Alexander Whedon · [45:32]
SpaceX 成功的最大关键之一就是 Elon 是那种会对他的团队下巨大赌注的人，相信我们能做到。
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One of the biggest keys to SpaceX’s success is just that Elon is one to make massive bets on his team, that we can do this.
—— Scott Morton · [15:37]
但出人意料的是,无论你是在 Codex 还是 ChatGPT 上发布,流程都很相似——尽管 ChatGPT 推向十亿活跃用户而且还在增长,你可以提交一个 PR、做一个改动,第二天甚至同一天发布,它就推向十亿用户,而且没问题。
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But it’s surprisingly a similar process, whether you ship on Codex or ChatGPT, even though ChatGPT goes out to a billion active users and growing, you can ship a PR, you can make a change and get it shipped the next day or even the same day, and it just goes out to a billion users and it’s fine.
—— Tibo Sottiaux · [43:33]
我们走的是一条非常 Anthropic 式的路线：真正把 B2B 使用场景中的某些用户类型和工作流做到极致好，而不是在消费端把数亿美元到处乱撒。
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We’re taking a very Anthropic-type approach: really trying to make certain types of users and workflows within B2B usage insanely great, and we’re not just spraying hundreds of millions of dollars at everything on the consumer side.
—— Eric Simons · [15:05]
Google 说，「其他的东西都忘掉吧，就那个输入框：我们怎么把那个东西做到极致好、做到世界最好？」而这件事其实就发生在其他那些公司的眼皮底下，但他们太不聚焦了，完全错过了。
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Google was like, “All this other stuff, forget it, just the input box: how do we make that thing insanely good and the best in the world?” And that was actually right underneath the other guys’ noses, but they were so unfocused that they completely missed it.
—— Eric Simons · [17:27]
他的名字我一时想不起来，但他说过，在软件行业，赚钱的方式只有两种：打包和解包。
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His name slips my mind, but he said there are only two ways to make money in the software business: bundling and unbundling.
—— Eric Simons · [19:26]
顺便说一句，我觉得相当神奇的是，AI 已经发展到了这样的程度：地球上任何一个不是设计师、也不是工程师的人，都可以点一个按钮，突然就做出一整套 PowerPoint，或者做出一个网站，或者做出一个 web 应用。
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I think it’s quite magical, by the way, that AI has gotten to a point that any human on the planet that is not even a designer, that is not an engineer, can click a button and suddenly make an entire PowerPoint or make a website or make a web app.
—— Thais Castello Branco · [03:34]
我不认为我们可以只让模型变得更好而无视、不解决这个问题，否则 slop 会继续存在。
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I don’t think that we can ignore and just make models better and not solve this otherwise SOP will keep existing.
—— Thais Castello Branco · [09:57]
我认为大多数人可能都成不了有效的人类管理者,那凭什么认为我们会成为有效的智能体管理者呢?
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I think that most people probably wouldn’t make effective human managers, so what makes us think that we’d be effective agent managers.
—— Brian Houck · [20:23]
我们努力让 Rust 对人类变得容易，而事实上，这并不重要。
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We tried to make Rust easy for humans, and in fact, it didn’t really matter.
—— Jonathan Kelley · [07:14]
比如它把技能和欲望解绑了。如果你想创作音乐，你现在就可以做音乐，不必会弹钢琴。
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It kind of unbundles skill from desire, for example. If you want to make music, you can make music now. You don’t have to know how to play the piano.
—— Anish Acharya · [37:02]
而我们应对的方式绝对不是诉诸打折,而是确保我们把最新的创新带入这项运动。
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And our way to navigate that is definitely not to resort to discounting, but to make sure that we bring the newest innovation into the sport.
—— David Alleman · [17:47]
作为创始人,我们的职责一直是确保我们不仅仅考虑当下,而是考虑下一个时刻。
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It’s always been our role as founders to make sure that we’re not just thinking about the moment, but that we are thinking about the next moment.
—— David Alleman · [18:22]
所以你需要非常少但非常坚实的基础来构建东西，但之后你需要增加很多灵活性，确保没有过度约束的流程或审批链条之类的东西，因为根据我的经验，那些正是杀死一个产品的东西——无法对产品采取行动。
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So you need very few but very solid basis when you build something, but then you need to add a lot of flexibility and make sure that there are not, you know, not super constraining processes or approval lines and things like this, because in my experience, those are the things that kill a product, the inability to act on the product.
—— Vali · [71:47]
私募基金存在的唯一原因就是赚钱。就是这样。没别的了。
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The single reason that privates exist is to make money. Period. End of story.
—— David Morehead · [00:00]
你不可能通过不断往里加东西让东西变得越来越好。
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You cannot make things better and better by adding stuff.
—— Tobi Lütke · [59:06]
有大量研究、大量脑部扫描表明，你做的决定越多，你做决定的能力就越差。这叫认知疲劳、精神疲劳。
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There’s been tons of studies, tons of brain scans that show the more decisions that you make, the worse you get at making decisions. It’s called cognitive fatigue, mental fatigue.
—— Jim VandeHei · [16:03]
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- 《Figma Config 2026:当代码、AI 与动效都变成画布上的设计材料》 — 作为概念
- 《产品经理驾驭 Claude 生态：用五层架构打造专属 AI 幕僚长》 — 作为被讨论公司(提及)
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